Seeking Barstool Engineers and Getter Doners- RAMP ideas

[gjs4]

So here is a hypothetical - A guy has a property with a large concrete box culvert bridge/overpass composed of two 30ft high by 30ft wide (square) by 50ft wide(below the road) in composure down at a bottom in topography. on the upstream side there is a 4.5-5ft high retaining wall (near side of pics below)....meaning if you walked into the south side of the culvert under the road from the down stream side, youd pass under the road through the culvert(s) and go another 15 feet or so and walk into this 5ft high wall.

The creek here does not appear to flow much or often. What does appear to happen are coyotes trapping game against this wall or deer walking to it then turning around. This appears to both deter travel or put it on the roadway above result in vehicle issues.

Had wondered if a ramp like and old scaffold pic or lumber made one would work to allow critter up and over without altering or presenting any DOT concerns. Any other ideas?

 

[gjs4]

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[Turkey Creek]

Having a hard time envisioning the "wall". So your saying the water flows over this "wall", through the culvert, and down the drainage? I would honestly doubt that a lot of deer are choosing to go through the box culvert as opposed to over the road, but anything is possible. If you could take backhoe and cut a sloped ramp up through the dirt "wall" that would seem to be a solution in my mind. A video would be worth a thousand words in this instance.

 

[Bill]

That's what I would do. Take the FEL and cut it down to a slow slope.

 

[gjs4]

Having a hard time envisioning the "wall". So your saying the water flows over this "wall", through the culvert, and down the drainage? I would honestly doubt that a lot of deer are choosing to go through the box culvert as opposed to over the road, but anything is possible. If you could take backhoe and cut a sloped ramp up through the dirt "wall" that would seem to be a solution in my mind. A video would be worth a thousand words in this instance.

Wish there was a vid to share. yes on the water flowing over the wall but it is not soil- it is concrete. If you were rotate a capital "L" 90 degrees left-counterclockwise and so the long part was starting at the left- extending to the right and then vertically ....

Theyre definitely using the road right now and getting killed as a result....but there are tracks in the culvert too

 

[bigboreblr]

Sound like there is a berm or conservation wier. Something to let it pool up and control flow. Could even be there for migratory ducks.

Those bridges get inspected regularly, like every few months.

What is the ramp for, an ATV / tractor, wild game.

Something relatively small and not permantly mounted might slip under the radar. KEep in mind wood get slippery and deer hooves will slip on it. Try to put some cleats on it, or improve traction somehow.

I wouldn't knock that berm over. Might get a ticket like disturbing wetlands without a permit, or something worse kind of thing. That government property and close 100% sure that is put there on purpose. Valandizing government property.

A few 10ft 2x10's a handrail and maybe a mid beam support would work fine. A little 1 inch wooden strips for treads.

What's the road overhead? county or state? county folks are more laid back. Maybe a little sign says its for my 800 year old grand pop to chase bunnies in the winter might let it slide some more.

Bridges are usually ID'd with a mile marker sign. mile then dot then usually bridge number in that mile. Any other ID on that berm. That might be a federal project for conservation. Could just be flood control. Let the big rain slowly drain out once over flood stage.

 

[T-Max]

I think a log or something to help small game would help with that. Deer would be a stretch. Judging by the two semis in your pic, I’d guess State road. I’d bet it would be a hassle to keep anything there that would help the deer that the DOT would be okay with.

 

[gjs4]

maybe this will help

 

[gjs4]

Sound like there is a berm or conservation wier. Something to let it pool up and control flow. Could even be there for migratory ducks.

Those bridges get inspected regularly, like every few months.

What is the ramp for, an ATV / tractor, wild game.

Something relatively small and not permantly mounted might slip under the radar. KEep in mind wood get slippery and deer hooves will slip on it. Try to put some cleats on it, or improve traction somehow.

I wouldn't knock that berm over. Might get a ticket like disturbing wetlands without a permit, or something worse kind of thing. That government property and close 100% sure that is put there on purpose. Valandizing government property.

A few 10ft 2x10's a handrail and maybe a mid beam support would work fine. A little 1 inch wooden strips for treads.

What's the road overhead? county or state? county folks are more laid back. Maybe a little sign says its for my 800 year old grand pop to chase bunnies in the winter might let it slide some more.

Bridges are usually ID'd with a mile marker sign. mile then dot then usually bridge number in that mile. Any other ID on that berm. That might be a federal project for conservation. Could just be flood control. Let the big rain slowly drain out once over flood stage.

It is a state road and the goal would just be for helping critters transgress. 100% with you on the cleats.

Im sure you're right with the routine inspection and there with purpose. Perhaps things get spicey there with a 50 or 100yr rain event though this area gets less than 30"a year.

 

[T-Max]

That’s what I had pictured. My wife is an engineer with KDOT. She thinks that’s a weird design. She did say it’s probably for one of those 500 year flood events and must have the potential for a really big flow. If that wall got silted in she said they would probably never notice. Water would flow right over it and deer would walk right up the slope. Shame if that process could be expedited…

 

[gjs4]

TMax- my friend in his hypothetical scenario wanted to thank the Mrs for that insight on this state that may or may not begin with a K

 

[bigboreblr]

Adding soil is a lot less an issue than taking away..... Just make sure the inspector can see the bridge structure. Your not hiding some of the actual bridge in dirt. Structural concrete. The berm the don't care too much about unless it looks like its gonna tip over. If you use a few 55 gallon drums, fill them with dirt while you bury them, some of your effort will survive a flooding event. Also would hold up a bit better.

 

[gjs4]

everything with the culvert is concrete- including the wall which is essentially a retaining wall for "my friend's" (LOL) upstream side of the creek