Redoing clover

[JoshAnderson]

I have a 1 acre clover field that is in its maybe 6th year, I sprayed with cleth and 24db and I still have weeds out there, I was thinking of just spraying it with roundup broadcasting seed and mowing the deadstuff over the seed. Do I want to spread rye or oats with it? I'd prefer oats but heard they don't germinate as well as rye if not in the soil.

 

[omicron1792]

Rye all the way. Go ahead and throw your perennial clover too with rye.

 

[Telemark]

How long ago did you spray it?

 

[JoshAnderson]

How long ago did you spray it?

Sprayed in May, and again mid July 2 weeks after mowing, second spraying didn't even touch thistle, I had 4 inch thistle I knownthe boom went over because I was watching and nothing happened to them. Using over 2 quarts per acre plus crop oil. So I spot sprayed 2 weeks ago with stinger, but there's so much I think I should just redo it

 

[Telemark]

Yeah, sounds like you should nuke the whole thing with gly and triclopyr.

 

[birdog]

Sounds like you may have had an issue with your herbicide? I spray April with Imox and cleth (Omicron tip) and then again end of August with cleth and 2,4-db. I always use AMS which really improved my kill rate. Assuming you have applied cleth and 2,4-db twice this year I would not spray it again with those two. I've never had good luck with 2,4-db and thistle.

You state you sprayed 2qts per acre plus crop oil but you don't tell us 2qts of what and how much crop oil? I like NIS with 2,4-db and crop oil with cleth. Some mix cleth and 2,4-db together with NIS only and have good results.

I broadcast rye and reseed clover in my plots every fall. If you do decide to nuke your plot then your plan is a good one. If you go this route then brassicas are a good option along with clover and rye.

I would go with rye, clover and chicory mix or whatever else you want to add but rye is the key for me, especially with older plots.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

I broadcast rye and reseed clover in my plots every fall.

I understand broadcasting rye, since it'll germinate on top of the soil & take off - but how do you overseed your clover into an existing plot? Do you just broadcast it, or get it into the soil somehow?

Sorry for the hijack, but my questions might help the OP in his efforts.

 

[omicron1792]

If you spray with gly then a week later broadcast rye and clover then mow it will grow well.

If thick thatch I would spray then mow a week before planting. If reasonable amount of plants just spray then throw then mow.

 

[JoshAnderson]

Sounds like you may have had an issue with your herbicide? I spray April with Imox and cleth (Omicron tip) and then again end of August with cleth and 2,4-db. I always use AMS which really improved my kill rate. Assuming you have applied cleth and 2,4-db twice this year I would not spray it again with those two. I've never had good luck with 2,4-db and thistle.

You state you sprayed 2qts per acre plus crop oil but you don't tell us 2qts of what and how much crop oil? I like NIS with 2,4-db and crop oil with cleth. Some mix cleth and 2,4-db together with NIS only and have good results.

I broadcast rye and reseed clover in my plots every fall. If you do decide to nuke your plot then your plan is a good one. If you go this route then brassicas are a good option along with clover and rye.

I would go with rye, clover and chicory mix or whatever else you want to add but rye is the key for me, especially with older plots.

I did 2 qts. Of 24db an acre and 1 qt. Of crop oil with it. For cleth I did roughly 20 oz an acre and 1 qt, crop oil. Thistle is an issue currently

 

[JoshAnderson]

I understand broadcasting rye, since it'll germinate on top of the soil & take off - but how do you overseed your clover into an existing plot? Do you just broadcast it, or get it into the soil somehow?

Sorry for the hijack, but my questions might help the OP in his efforts.

I'm going to broadcast the clover just like rye, they'll be some thatch over it, and the rain will help germinate it.

 

[bigboreblr]

A light spray of gly mid spring help clover plots. Clover makes nitrogen. Need something to use it, or the wees will.

Get a soil sample while you work on the field.

Thistle is a sign of soil compaction, poor drainage, and might be low in iron or calcium. Weeds give you an idea whats going on.

 

[birdog]

I understand broadcasting rye, since it'll germinate on top of the soil & take off - but how do you overseed your clover into an existing plot? Do you just broadcast it, or get it into the soil somehow?

Sorry for the hijack, but my questions might help the OP in his efforts.

What omicron said

 

[birdog]

I did 2 qts. Of 24db an acre and 1 qt. Of crop oil with it. For cleth I did roughly 20 oz an acre and 1 qt, crop oil. Thistle is an issue currently

My 2,4-db mix is 2qts acre. plus 64oz acre of AMS and Nitro surf at 2.5 pints acre. I use to have hit and miss results with 2,4-db and cleth until I added AMS.

Your cleth mix is very close to mine except I use 16oz acre plus the 1 qt of crop oil and 64oz of AMS.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

If you spray with gly then a week later broadcast rye and clover then mow it will grow well.

If thick thatch I would spray then mow a week before planting. If reasonable amount of plants just spray then throw then mow.

Omi, why mow before planting? Wouldn't that make it harder for broadcasted seeds to get to soil?

 

[omicron1792]

Omi, why mow before planting? Wouldn't that make it harder for broadcasted seeds to get to soil?

So I find you have to kind of see what you have.

If you have thick thick grass, throw small seeds like clover and brassica, then cut grass on top of it, the thatch layer can be too thick for the small seeds.

@Crimson n' Camo says he would often mow once late summer to lessen that thatch. Then at planting time throw seed then mow again. If he didn’t do that first mowing weeks before planting, the thatch layer could just be too thick.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

So I find you have to kind of see what you have.

If you have thick thick grass, throw small seeds like clover and brassica, then cut grass on top of it, the thatch layer can be too thick for the small seeds.

@Crimson n' Camo says he would often mow once late summer to lessen that thatch. Then at planting time throw seed then mow again. If he didn’t do that first mowing weeks before planting, the thatch layer could just be too thick.

Makes perfect sense!

 

[RGrizzzz]

@JoshAnderson, where are you located? What water are you using in your spray mix? Hard water can create issues for herbicide, and is one reason you may need to add AMS to your spray mix. Always add AMS to water BEFORE you add the herbicide.

 

[Westwind]

My AMS bag was bought many, many years ago. It was getting kind of cruddy and lumpy.

I saw on here (Think it was Buckhunter?) to buy a cheap wire strainer from the kitchen section at Dollar General. His idea was to use a strainer to help eliminate sprayer problems. In my case, the cardboard particles from the decaying lid. Yesterday I put my old AMS in the strainer and ran the hose over it to at least somewhat dissolve it before it gets in and traps any crud that got in my bag. Even with agitation going and clean AMS it seemed like I always managed to dump a bunch of it all in at once and a wad of it would go to the bottom of the tank and sit. This way it goes in slower and at least partially dissolved.

 

[omicron1792]

My AMS bag was bought many, many years ago. It was getting kind of cruddy and lumpy.

I saw on here (Think it was Buckhunter?) to buy a cheap wire strainer from the kitchen section at Dollar General. His idea was to use a strainer to help eliminate sprayer problems. In my case, the cardboard particles from the decaying lid. Yesterday I put my old AMS in the strainer and ran the hose over it to at least somewhat dissolve it before it gets in and traps any crud that got in my bag. Even with agitation going and clean AMS it seemed like I always managed to dump a bunch of it all in at once and a wad of it would go to the bottom of the tank and sit. This way it goes in slower and at least partially dissolved.

If not spraying huge acreage ams supreme liquid seems to be easiest way.

 

[Westwind]

A sprayer and herbicide thread would be awesome. Get all the tips tricks and rates in one thread