No cam hunting

I bet there's a 200 walking or killed in every IL county any given year. There's 100 right there. If a few counties don't have 1, the premier counties probably have 5 to make up for it. Heck we've had 2 at our farm in the past 4 yrs and we're not even a good spot, just a dumb little creek. Remember most guys here like to fight over how their area registers the fewest book deer because they're sneakier than the rest. Most big deer aren't getting put in the books and aren't being taken to deer classics anymore.
 
Down in my corner of the state. Most true giants that get shot are only heard about locally. Nobody putting them in the book.
 
I'm glad you're coming around ☺️

Don't forget Nebraska or the public land @356 mentioned in Missouri where cameras are outlawed. Horicon Marsh in WI is ~30,000 acres, I bet there are some secluded swamp donkeys out there. Got to be many more places like this around the country, IMO.
I have some property that borders 27,000 acres where cameras were banned for about five years. Pre ban, you could scout for four hours and see five or six cameras. Thank goodness, they banned them. After the ban, you would only see a couple of cameras in four hours of scouting
 
I use them for entertainment really. I more enjoy seeing animals other than deer. Bobcats, fishers, racoons, bears, moose. I really like the evil red eyes rabbits get in night mode. Or you get deer play fighting / horsing around.

Its nice to have a picture of the buck you harvested though. Usally have them out early april till september up in the adirondacks. At the farmland I hunt, it's usually august till the 1st time I hunt. Just because I don't get up there all too often.

I do not have a cell phone camera. Just basic 70-100 dollar ones. moultries have not disappointed me lately. Used to like covert until a newer model wasn't relable like earlier ones. 3 photo bursts, 30 sec delay between shots. I never used one for video yet.
 
After reading all your spin n bs and deer are smart enough to know their pictures are being taken and it saves deer and you can put out a corn pile and figure out what time a deer visits to knowing a deer is there so you can shoot it with thermals in the night. WTF. Are you really a hunter??, Can you imagine fred bear rolling over in his grave. Trail cams are a stain and it is not fair chase your own ignorant comments confirm that. Grow up shut them off 30 days prior to season till the end. That's why it's called hunting.
 
After reading all your spin n bs and deer are smart enough to know their pictures are being taken and it saves deer and you can put out a corn pile and figure out what time a deer visits to knowing a deer is there so you can shoot it with thermals in the night. WTF. Are you really a hunter??, Can you imagine fred bear rolling over in his grave. Trail cams are a stain and it is not fair chase your own ignorant comments confirm that. Grow up shut them off 30 days prior to season till the end. That's why it's called hunting.
Did Fred Bear do food plots? You're on here food plot this and food plot that. I think Fred would have you plow your plot 30 days prior to season.
 
I've never really considered ignoring someone on this site, which is a testament to the site itself. It appears that's about change.
 
I've never really considered ignoring someone on this site, which is a testament to the site itself. It appears that's about change.
I use that function very, very sparingly, and was very slow to adopt it. It makes the site more enjoyable. I encourage you to follow your instincts here. I will.
 
I've never really considered ignoring someone on this site, which is a testament to the site itself. It appears that's about change.

On the old forum I had to use the function with a guy named Duffy. A few years ago on this forum with MoBuckChaser. LOL. Comes in handy now and then. 👍
 
Cameras save deer. Eh. That cuts 2ways. Here is how it works… with amazing effectiveness in my part of the world. 200 acres with 4 feeders, each in range of a stand. Owner stays out of the area, except to fill feeders. Cell cams enable this. Hunter waits to get daytime pictures of a target buck at a given spot a couple days in a row, usually early season, hunts that spot the next day and scores. With low impact from limited and only strategic human entry, attractiveness of bait, it’s a great tactic.

Cameras may preserve top performers at 2-3 years of age, but the cameras also tip the scales in the hunters favor when the become trophies. I’ve honestly been surprised how many talk about their success doing exactly what k described.

If it's that easy to shoot mature bucks on bait, I think this is more of an indictment on bait than it is on cell cams.
 
Trail cams extend the enjoyment of my land, considerably more than just hunting. I have perhaps become a bit OCD with them but they have helped with deer # surveys, survivor bucks post season, incredible would never see otherwise nature pics, deer management in forms of age structure and bully bucks, fawn recruitment ratio, predator numbers, and trespasser pics. When I pull cards on non cell cams and from cell cams it is still like opening a Christmas gift every time.

I especially like the pics of the bucks that show up from nowhere, just passing through on their search during rut, never to be seen again. They tell me what is out there, what could come by anytime on stand. This season I had a great 5x5 with incredible mass come thru for a 24 hr foray and then was gone. It is just great knowing he was and perhaps is still out there.

My best hunt of the year happened the other day. I saw 36 different deer of which 10 were bucks. I enjoyed matching them to pics the next couple days after that hunt. Some were broken up and it was interesting to see how their racks had changed since the beginning of the season.

I am very disciplined with when I hunt. With small farms one doesn't have a lot of choices for stands if one doesn't want to blow their property up. So I don't get the field experience of a hunt as much as I would like but the cams still let me see wildlife on my property as the season progresses, which allows me to have better hunting experiences when I do get out.
 
There’s no disputing their benefit for security purposes. I intend to hold off on buying a cell cam until I need one for that purpose.
After they've trespassed or robbed one, is a bit too late
 
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My Dad is getting up there enough in age that any season could be his last. He gets way more enjoyment out of viewing the trail camera photos and videos than he does of hunting anymore, which is my main motivation for expanding or keeping cameras working pretty much 365 days.
Same here Hoyt, He had to get a smart phone and learn how to navigate it to be able to view them. :) He hit 80 this year and never had a job where he used a keyboard, icons, etc. It's been quite the learning curve for him.
 
If it's that easy to shoot mature bucks on bait, I think this is more of an indictment on bait than it is on cell cams.
The bait plays a big role, no doubt. This is in heavily hunted country where one wrong move sends pressured bucks elsewhere. The cell cams help take that out of the equation.
 
After reading all your spin n bs and deer are smart enough to know their pictures are being taken and it saves deer and you can put out a corn pile and figure out what time a deer visits to knowing a deer is there so you can shoot it with thermals in the night. WTF. Are you really a hunter??, Can you imagine fred bear rolling over in his grave. Trail cams are a stain and it is not fair chase your own ignorant comments confirm that. Grow up shut them off 30 days prior to season till the end. That's why it's called hunting.
I’ve never made decisions on hunting on whether Fred Bear would approve from his grave ? I doubt he’s watching over me !
 
I used to run a lot of cameras but think it made the older bucks more nocturnal.
I pretty much quit using cameras a couple years ago, like the OP said it’s fun getting to know whats on the property from live sightings and I feel it will keep me from holding back on bucks I normally would have shot.
The new cell cameras are sure tempting and way less intrusive. Also almost a must for trespassers.
I do have Blink cameras on our home and those are handy.
 
On my 350 acres, I have many acres of year round food plots, cell cams, regular cameras, feeders, and hand spread bait/feed. I live on my property and out on it everyday. I am not one who feels I need to stay out of the woods for fear of scaring them off. I bought my land to use it - and live on it - year round. I generally hunt some public ground, largely bow only, and leave my ground for the family. The public ground does not allow baiting, cameras, and driving around on a ranger at all hours of the day or night.

The actions of the deer on the public compared to those on private - are literally, night and day difference. The deer density on the public ground is not as high as on my private - but the deer are much more likely to be out in daytime. If you sit on some feeding sign on the public, you are likely to see deer. If you sit on hand spread feed in a food plot, with three times the deer density on private - you may or may not see a deer.

When I bought my place 20 years ago, we killed a lot of hogs during all hours of the day. Sometimes over 100 a year. I still have lots of hogs. I had to get a thermal scope to kill a hog. I have seen hogs during daylight hours one time this year. They have even quit using my feeders. I have one feeder out 100 yards from a three acre food plot that has been almost completely rooted by hogs. Not one hog has visited that feeder to eat the corn. I used to have to fence every bait site to keep the hogs out. Not anymore - they wont visit a bait site. They have witnessed hundreds of their buddies go down at a feeder. They are now feeder shy and totally nocturnal.

I see the deer in this area slowly doing the same thing. There is a buck we have hunted for two years. He visits every food plot, every feeder - including my neighbor’s a mile away. He eats the hand spread bait. He is on supplemental feed almost everday in the same location from June to mid september - and he quits a week or two before bow season. To add insult to injury, he recently rubbed a tree in my front yard. We have not seen him since Sept. I dont just mean while hunting - I mean period. Same with last year. I have not got a day time picture of him since Sept. I am pretty sure I have not got a picture of him on the same camera two days in a row. If it wasnt for cameras, we would think this deer had been killed.

I think the deer are following the same pattern as the hogs - they are just slower to catch on. Because this deer is around - and another one just about as big - we dont shoot anything else. When I hunt the public - I have no idea what is there - and the bar is definitely lower - thus, I usually end up killing more of my deer without food plots, bait, feeding, cameras, etc. To be honest, not using all those aids are not foreign to most of us with a little age. Most of us in our sixties have killed far more deer before cameras, baiting, food plots, or crossbows - than since those things got popular.

Kind of reminds me of our popular green tree waterfowl management areas in my home state. They are heavily hunted. Our g&f has done almost everything possible to reduce the competition. With each new restriction, the anticipation is that it will be more difficult to hunt or access the area and those looking for an easy hunt will bow out. No, hasnt worked that way. 25 hp limit, cant leave the ramp before 4 am, 15 shell limit, no spinners. Have to quit at noon. And the list goes on. Even with all the restrictions, Folks camp in their trucks at the ramp two weeks before season even opens.

As much as I would like to see baiting stopped. At least in my area, it gives a lot of rural living, hard working lower income folks the chance to kill a deer on their five or ten acres they would not otherwise have. They cant afford to join a lease or buy 350 acres of pure recreational land. I also remember before baiting, down here in the commercial timberland and clearcut areas - there were herds of thirty and forty deer running around and a big 2 yr old buck weighed 120 lbs. Baiting gave hunters the opportunity to bring the deer out of the thickets where they could kill them without a pack of dogs. The deer density is now much more in line with what it should be - maybe even a little low now in some areas - and the deer are much larger. There was a span 25 years ago of five years in a row where me or my wife hit a deer with our vehicle every year. Insurance sent a letter next time they were going to cancel us. That was about the time baiting got going. We have hit one deer in the last 15 years. Our g&f is probably one of the few that did not ban baiting in the cwd zone, basing this on the hope that baiting would aid hunters in harvesting deer.

I supervised quite a few people for quite a few years. I learned a lot of things - but probably the most important thing I learned was there are at least two sides to most stories and the truth usually lies in the middle. When I look at baiting, my very first thought is because of baiting, my neighbors are killing “my” deer that they would otherwise not be killing. And yes, I know that is from a very selfish viewpoint. My 10 acre neighbors are thankful baiting is legal so they have a chance to take a deer or two on their small acreage without having to join a lease or drive for an hour to hunt some public land. It is all about perspective.

I still wish they would ban baiting😉
 
I bet there's a 200 walking or killed in every IL county any given year. There's 100 right there. If a few counties don't have 1, the premier counties probably have 5 to make up for it. Heck we've had 2 at our farm in the past 4 yrs and we're not even a good spot, just a dumb little creek. Remember most guys here like to fight over how their area registers the fewest book deer because they're sneakier than the rest. Most big deer aren't getting put in the books and aren't being taken to deer classics anymore.
Full disclosure, the one I thought was 200 this yr fell considerably short. My bad.
 
After reading all your spin n bs and deer are smart enough to know their pictures are being taken and it saves deer and you can put out a corn pile and figure out what time a deer visits to knowing a deer is there so you can shoot it with thermals in the night. WTF. Are you really a hunter??, Can you imagine fred bear rolling over in his grave. Trail cams are a stain and it is not fair chase your own ignorant comments confirm that. Grow up shut them off 30 days prior to season till the end. That's why it's called hunting.

Fred Bear also held patents, and used, poison pod arrows.


If given the choice, I'd be curious if the deer would rather have the treestand or cell cam be banned.
 
Interesting point if you didn't have a trail cam during the season then you would physically have to fair chase hunt in your stand to know what's on the grounds. But taking the short cut with a trail cam during the season is just that non fair chase. I enjoy hunting to watch in person what's going on the grounds. For you trail cam guys ding deer at stand 2 ding deer at stand 4. Ding deer at stand 5. Is that what your hunts are all about. Pretty sad in my estimation. Its almost become an addictive porn to some of you. Sorry to be so blunt.
 
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