Newbie Land Tour

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5 year old buck +
Hi all, I wanted to continue my "Newbie - Recommendations" thread to begin brainstorming for next spring, however, I thought it would be more appropriate to start a land tour thread to show a lay of the land and hopefully receive some input for further improving my property for whitetail habitat. First, I will give a general lay of the land with satellite photos but I will continue the thread with a few posts of the photographs from around the property to help supplement.

For starters, I purchased approx. 50 acres last year which is my primary residence and also where I plan to hunt nearly exclusively. I have 2 sizable adjacent properties, one is a 200 acre hunting camp (to the left on these photos) with some food plots planted, and the other is a 400+ acre tree farm. Both properties receive decent hunting pressure. To the west (top of photos) is a mountainside which is public land of approximately 2500 acres.

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My property (as you can see) is irregular in shape, long driveway, a pipeline (left) with a very deep ravine that separates my property from the neighbor to the left. The property adjacent to the driveway (bottom left) is an overgrown field, high thick grasses and overgrown shrubs but minimal mature trees.

I have a small 0.25 kill plot planted with clover in woods just below the small bend in the property line, and a 0.5 acre clover/rye/chicory/brassica plot in the bottom field along the edge of the pipeline/ravine roughly denoted in blue in the picture below. My primary residence is just above the pond and woodshop/garage to the right of the pond in the photos attached.

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I'd love to purchase some additional adjoining acreage in the coming years, but as for now, this is what I have to work with.

I think my primary goal for the upcoming year is to expand the footprint of the existing plots. Both proved to draw deer very well, although due to their small size they've been absolutely decimated by the deer (unsurprisingly). They were intentionally small though, as this year was my first in habitat work and I wanted to trial and error on a smaller scale first. I plan to expand the lower plot to 2-3 acres in size this spring and develop a privacy screen because as of now it has wide open views of my driveway and garage which I know limits daytime deer activity. The benefit of the smaller size is I know exactly where deer enter and leave these areas and my stands are placed accordingly. Particularly on the lower plot, I'm afraid they'll have more liberty to access the plot from a wider berth (primarily on the bottom edge) and handicap my opportunities with my bow. I've attached two photos below showing two rough ideas.

First thought, simply to maximize size and therefore forage tonnage.

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Second, to expand size and tonnage but maintaining a limited access to control entry/exit and permit better bowhunting opportunities.

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Either way, I plan to plant a privacy screen of grasses next year and to plant rows of young pines that will ultimately serve as a permanent privacy screen from the driveway and structures.

My property is long and narrow, I have no delusions of attempting to keep deer on my land, but rather hope to provide enough cover and forage for them to utilize this land and offer myself some hunting opportunities. One benefit I have, is the large acreage of open acreage on either side of my property that deer utilize, so I get substantial deer traffic crossing. Additionally, between my house and the upper food plot in the woods is very dense, which I know a lot of deer utilize as a bedding area.

I would love if anyone has any feedback/suggestions that they'd like to share!
 

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Here are a few photos from my stand on the lower food plot, in the field by the pipeline. The cages you see are apple trees that I planted last year. Right now I have 6 along the edge of the field.IMG_5167.jpg

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And some photos of the small kill plot up in the woods.
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Here is another angle of the property and some designs I had in mind for habitat development. Apple icons being fruit trees, pines icons being screens
 
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Another look at the lower field from the driveway. Food plot is at the end of the field, slightly to the right. I'm considering converting this entire field to a perennial clover plot. I have a stand on the corner of trees just right of center in this photo. You can see to the left that the neighboring field is overgrown with shrubs and tall grass that quite a few deer use as cover for bedding down.
 
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Here is a screenshot I took on Google Earth in 3D when I hiked to the mountain top last fall. The mountain is almost exactly 1200ft of elevation gain from my back porch. My property line ends where it gets real steep about halfway up. You can also get a small appreciation for the depth of the gulch on the left. I'd estimate it is probably 50ft deep next to the field, and very steep. It does funnel deer traffic on this side of the gulch through that shallow patch of woods past my house toward the lower food plot
 
Looks nce. What equipment do you have to work with. IF you got a 25hp or better tractor, they make reasonably priced stump grinders 3-4k range.

Do some chainsaw work and you can make the funneling for deer up the hill even better. Deer take the easy route, unless theyre spooked. You make a nice atv or hiking path, theyll use it.

Not a monster sized property far as food plot acreage goes. That whole front area can be basic winter wood for the deer. Let them use it at night and when youre not there. Any forage will not go to waste.

I would work on making some privacy by the house away from foodplot a bit more. You can end up being a slave on your own property trying to keep quiet and out of sight from deer.

Any restrictions on the property. How much land you can clear, anything with that right of way. Gas line?
 
Looks nce. What equipment do you have to work with. IF you got a 25hp or better tractor, they make reasonably priced stump grinders 3-4k range.

Do some chainsaw work and you can make the funneling for deer up the hill even better. Deer take the easy route, unless theyre spooked. You make a nice atv or hiking path, theyll use it.

Not a monster sized property far as food plot acreage goes. That whole front area can be basic winter wood for the deer. Let them use it at night and when youre not there. Any forage will not go to waste.

I would work on making some privacy by the house away from foodplot a bit more. You can end up being a slave on your own property trying to keep quiet and out of sight from deer.

Any restrictions on the property. How much land you can clear, anything with that right of way. Gas line?

I have an older tractor right now for mowing and snowplowing but am in the market for a 50hp Mahindra (or something similar) within the year.

There are already some logging access roads on the property, one, I use frequently to access the upper food plots and stands etc. The others I plan to clean up this spring because they'll allow easier access to hunt some of the wooded areas out behind the house. I hope to supplement this with some chainsaw work to do a better job of funneling deer, particularly up above the house, especially once I upgrade to a diesel tractor with loader.

Privacy screens are certainly due. I hope to pick up some trees this winter and get that started asap.

No major restrictions. The gas company has right of way to mow the lower field where the pipeline passes through but only do so every couple years with a brush hog. Other than that, I'm able to do what I want.
 
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DCNR is planning some invasive species control in my area, primarily Japanese stilt grass, autumn olive, and barberry. This is probably 2acre clearing of blown down ash (with a few widow-makers still standing) but has become entirely overrun by Japanese stilt grass. My neighbor is a forester who is contracted to address these areas and is planning to start next weekend with a full crew and forestry mulchers. I'm planning on walking the property with him prior to beginning to show him a few areas I want him to be careful around (small kill plots) and hope to have this entire area cleared and mulched. If I can get something to grow, I think it would make a fantastic place to bow hunt. I'm thinking of something that will grow quick and help with weed suppression to help combat the invasive issue. Perhaps a heavy dose of rye and white dutch clover? I'm sure the soil quality leaves many things to be desired but I just got news of this this weekend so I'll have to work quick. I have a few crab apple trees from whitetail crabs that I plan to plant in this area as well in a few weeks.
 
Good luck with the spraying they'll likely do. Seed bank might have some good things coming naturally, too.

Our logged areas dealt with the very same invasives you have. Gly and triclopyr fried them. Keep us updated, Newbie!
 
Good luck with the spraying they'll likely do. Seed bank might have some good things coming naturally, too.

Our logged areas dealt with the very same invasives you have. Gly and triclopyr fried them. Keep us updated, Newbie!
Thank you!

I am really looking forward to seeing how the reclamation goes. In addition to spraying/forestry mulching they're planting native seedlings including oak. I just have to ask them to keep all the seedlings off to the side so I can run some forage in here. I have a bow stand setup here already & it transitions nicely into the lower food plots. If I can convince them to stack the downed logs in the right area and leave a little opening for me to do a little habitat work it could turn into a fantastic funnel in that area that I know I'm losing deer to the neighbors property. This is the highest portion of my property and it borders about 3000 acres of undivided forest. If the stars align just right & I'm able to supplement their work to some degree I think I have a solid chance of altering the deer movement to utilize my modest parcel substantially more.
 
Interesting properties you have Newbie. I cannot tell for certain where you are located? Do you have any water on your property?

It may be worth your while to add your basic location and USDA zone to your signature. Lots easier to determine things to grow for others.
 
Interesting properties you have Newbie. I cannot tell for certain where you are located? Do you have any water on your property?

It may be worth your while to add your basic location and USDA zone to your signature. Lots easier to determine things to grow for others.
I am in Pennsylvania. Growth zone 5a/5b border.

edit: I do have water on the property. Little pond in front of the house (not a habitat bonus but nice to have) as well has a spring run stream that runs the property line in the ravine. Plenty of natural drain lines coming off the mountain to feed the stream. Usually I'm cursing that we have too much water. Soil is clay so things can get pretty wet and muddy.
 
I am in Pennsylvania. Growth zone 5a/5b border.

edit: I do have water on the property. Little pond in front of the house (not a habitat bonus but nice to have) as well has a spring run stream that runs the property line in the ravine. Plenty of natural drain lines coming off the mountain to feed the stream. Usually I'm cursing that we have too much water. Soil is clay so things can get pretty wet and muddy.
I kinda figured Penn. Any of those drainage lines that could be damed up for a small pond? I see some neighbors have ponds. Seems so much wildlife will follow water drainage / ponds. I certainly wish I had some flowing water on my land.

As far as things to plant.....I like the idea of red and white clovers and rye to get your plots started. getting those stumps ground away via a mulched or stump grinder would help your plotting efforts. When you get a tractor.....make sure you get a grapple to make arranging down trees allot easier. .......and get as much hydraulic options as you may need at time of purchase. with all the hilly land, I'd want a low center of gravity tractor....and fluid in the rears.
 
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Here is a view from my front porch enjoying a beautiful PA sunrise over that pond. If you look closely, you can see my woodshop just behind the pine and a big 4 car garage just to the left of that. The main food plot picks up just behind those and runs alongside my driveway (hence the need for some good screening). The spring run comes off the mountain just to the right of the photo here. It follows a pretty steep ravine (25-40ft depth depending where you're at). The nice thing is this ravine creates a natural funnel because the woods gets pinched by my yard and the ravine here. I got trail cam videos of 2 black bears fighting only 25yds from my front door. Deer will travel that narrow stretch up/down to bed in the woods behind the house and browse on the fields below. Similar arrangement on the north side of my property where a narrow patch of woods allows deer to skirt around the garage area between the neighbors tree farm and access the lower fields. I plan to enhance both of these with some spruce plantings this year. Maybe I'll have to draw something up on a map to give a better visual
 
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Here is a view from my front porch enjoying a beautiful PA sunrise over that pond. If you look closely, you can see my woodshop just behind the pine and a big 4 car garage just to the left of that. The main food plot picks up just behind those and runs alongside my driveway (hence the need for some good screening). The spring run comes off the mountain just to the right of the photo here. It follows a pretty steep ravine (25-40ft depth depending where you're at). The nice thing is this ravine creates a natural funnel because the woods gets pinched by my yard and the ravine here. I got trail cam videos of 2 black bears fighting only 25yds from my front door. Deer will travel that narrow stretch up/down to bed in the woods behind the house and browse on the fields below. Similar arrangement on the north side of my property where a narrow patch of woods allows deer to skirt around the garage area between the neighbors tree farm and access the lower fields. I plan to enhance both of these with some spruce plantings this year. Maybe I'll have to draw something up on a map to give a better visual
A thought / tip on your spruce plantings for travel cover .... and you're not that far from our location ....

A camp near ours planted a bunch of Norway spruce along the skid trails, about 40 years ago after they logged a bunch of acreage. Those skid trails became (and still are) deer highways. When all the leaves drop in the fall, those spruce are a dark, shady, hide-y travel lane. We've copied that same idea at our place with spruce plantings. I think you'll do well by planting spruce for screen / travel funnel. You don't get immediate tall cover, but after about 6 years, ours were tall enough (about 7') to entice deer travelling along them. Best of luck!!
 
A thought / tip on your spruce plantings for travel cover .... and you're not that far from our location ....

A camp near ours planted a bunch of Norway spruce along the skid trails, about 40 years ago after they logged a bunch of acreage. Those skid trails became (and still are) deer highways. When all the leaves drop in the fall, those spruce are a dark, shady, hide-y travel lane. We've copied that same idea at our place with spruce plantings. I think you'll do well by planting spruce for screen / travel funnel. You don't get immediate tall cover, but after about 6 years, ours were tall enough (about 7') to entice deer travelling along them. Best of luck!!
Thank you for the tip! It certainly is going to be an ongoing project. I hope the efforts laid today will pay off in the long run. This will be my second full summer/fall here so I've got a laundry list of projects I'd love to get to. Have a little one on the way now so I figure by the time he/she is old enough to hold a weapon I'll have things figured out 🤣
 
I am going to try to redirect my attention to this thread rather than the foodplot thread. My initial post there which I started for recommendations for mt first plot attempt had been morphing into a land tour thread of sorts over time. My apologies for being off topic over there! I’ll use this thread to ramble to myself like a senile old man.

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In March I planted 100 Norway spruce to line my driveway and begin a privacy screen for the lower food plot expansion. Got them from Cold Stream Nursery & all seem to be doing well so far. It’ll be years until it’s an effective screen but I don’t plan on going anywhere anytime soon.
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In early April I did a no till spray-throw-roll on about an acre of completely unprepared overgrown field. I was (and still am) very wary on what results to expect on this field. I don’t have high aspirations but I am hopeful. It was more of an experiment & a function of cabin fever early this spring. However, it is showing some promise. This is a clover mixture, chicory and sunflower. I included YSC and sunflower to hopefully get some height and encourage deer to use it during daylight hours.
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My initial food plot attempt from last year is coming back on nicely this spring. It is spotty in areas, but overall is pushing up plenty of grub.
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I also planted a few more whitetail crabs, bringing the apple tree count to 12 along the field edge. They all seem to be doing well. I still have 20 chestnut trees to find a home for.
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Also, I picked up a new mahindra 4550 with loader and backhoe and third function kit this week. I’ve got a lot of work to do around the house with it but it sure is going to be handy to have for habitat work as well. I’m looking forward to getting a grapple to help out with some projects in the woods.
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Lastly, my wife and I welcomed our first child, a little boy, this spring so I figure by the time he’s old enough to hold a gun I’ll have this place looking a little better for hunting.

Just wanted to summarize some of my ramblings from my other thread here and I’ll keep this thread updated moving forward.
 
Lastly, my wife and I welcomed our first child, a little boy, this spring so I figure by the time he’s old enough to hold a gun I’ll have this place looking a little better for hunting.

Congratulations! I'm sure he will grow to appreciate all the work you've put in!
 
Hired some cheap help last night to assist in seeding a few bare spots on a few plots..... I guess the old saying "you get what you pay for" still holds true, he wasn't much help at all. 🤣
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My food plot attempt last year is looking decent. I have a decent amount of weeds, but a lot of clover and chicory as well. I sprayed last weekend with Cleth and followed it up with a broadcast of rye and some forage oats to fill in some gaps. I've considered spraying 2,4 but I don't want to sacrifice chicory in pursuit of a prettier food plot. Maybe I will just in spots where the weeds are more dense, I'm not sure. Oftentimes, perfection is the enemy of progress so this plot is probably better off as-is for the remainder of the year aside from maybe a quick mow in a few weeks.

In other news, I have an obsessive compulsive urge to check the no till plot. I take a walk through it a couple times a week. It doesn't help that it is right beside my driveway and I drive past it at least twice a day. I touched up a few "misses" with another dose of cleth last weekend. Going to throw some rye and forage oats on this (hopefully tonight) as a nurse crop. Mostly clover and chicory but I threw some sunflower and even a little bit of brassicas as a nurse & to satisfy my curiosity.
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