New Missouri Deer Regs?

[Bill]

They’ve tried to shoot out deer in multiple states without any luck. I don’t think the dnr sharpshooters caused the decline in that area, especially if the positive rate is actually as high as they say. But that is just my guess and I could be wrong.

It is depressing.

They’re lying to us. I have no proof but when they want to kill deer. They do. My neighborhood has had 0 CWD +. 2 miles away in Iowa they did. But our deer herd was abysmal last year. Rebounding now.

Say what you want “and I accept I may be wrong”. But I’m not doing anything to work with the college kids to fix it.

 

[buckdeer1]

Covid wasn't managed perfectly but a heck of alot better than it looks like CWD is.Heck it was discovered what 40 years ago and they don't know anymore now than they did then

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

Deer density in AR in that area was about 20 dpsm or higher. Yes, that is the point where the elk were first stocked and cwd was first detected.

The one chart I saw showed the density started around 30 then declined down to the 2-5 dpsm range and stayed there.

It is odd though because at the time cwd was first detected there, it was already very common. So it was either there earlier than they realized or it spreads faster there for some reason.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

They’re lying to us. I have no proof but when they want to kill deer. They do. My neighborhood has had 0 CWD +. 2 miles away in Iowa they did. But our deer herd was abysmal last year. Rebounding now.

Say what you want “and I accept I may be wrong”. But I’m not doing anything to work with the college kids to fix it.

Do you think that cwd isn’t killing deer?

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

I agree that shooting all the deer doesn’t fix anything either. I certainly don’t want that here, but it is starting to appear that just letting it run its course doesn’t work either.

But to be honest, I’d rather go that route than have sharpshooters kill them all.

 

[Bill]

Do you think that cwd isn’t killing deer?

Like I said “I might be wrong”. But no I do not think CWD is killing deer as much as EHD.

In 1982 I read an article in deer and deer hunting about CWD showing up in Wisconsin. They “government” said there would be no deer left soon.

It’s 2025. I’m still seeing deer where states don’t regulate “us” killing them all.

I’m 60 years old and never been vaccinated for covid.

Is CWD killing deer? Yes it is. But so are cars and trucks.

 

[Mortenson]

Kroll insinuates the front line in the cwd war is made up of anti hunter women and compromised dnr agents. He said they'll "have a cocktail party when the 1st human case happens."

To recap, last year ehd devastated us. I'm saying 75% mortality and I'm also saying I think I can guess better than the dnr. I exercised restraint, never pulled the trigger, and commented here on the last day of the season that it was a great hunt in that I saw 8 antlerless deer alive. I sat twice this year and on 1 of those hunts I saw 15 different antlerless.

I've stated here how I allow dnr to test most of our deer, but I think I'm done with that. They don't want to test the majority of the deer anyway. Test zero from bow season. Test zero from 4 of the 6 gun seasons. Been a long running joke in IL here that the deputy doofy at the check station ages every deer at 1 or 2, presumably as high as they can count. Now all of a sudden every doe we allow them to test is a 5 yr old. Figure that 1 out. "She's 5 and shes positive"

Seems half the deer we check in are positive. So I'm saying 50% rate. Yet anecdotelly the deer pop handled it. Despite everything thrown against it.

Just reeks of a follow your gut deal. Get the whole world talking and afraid. Chronic19 all over again.

 

[goatman]

Deer testing positive are killed by hunters. How many bodies have been found and tested? Also recently Dr. James Kroll has said on camera CWD is a hoax. 30 yrs ago a WY biologist said in the worst years that it only killed 15% of the herds. I'm not sure if it's even that high. I live in the brush. Show me the bodies. EHD is a whole different cat. Follow the money.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

I also thought cwd wasn’t as big of a deal as it was made out to be. But that info from northwest Arkansas is the first time I’ve heard it actually caused massive deer number declines, so now I’m worried.

Not much we can do about it anyway though, so I’ll keep hunting and hope nature finds a cure.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I’m a bit skeptical too but I’d be careful quoting Kroll. He’s a crocked pseudo scientist who is bought and paid for by the captive deer herd industry. I’d put as much faith in him as fauci telling us how to combat covid.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

Deer testing positive are killed by hunters. How many bodies have been found and tested? Also recently Dr. James Kroll has said on camera CWD is a hoax. 30 yrs ago a WY biologist said in the worst years that it only killed 15% of the herds. I'm not sure if it's even that high. I live in the brush. Show me the bodies. EHD is a whole different cat. Follow the money.

Read the mortality studies on the collared deer in southwest Wisconsin. I believe deer live up to 2 years with cwd, but with a high mortality rate. They tend to move more after infection, so they are harvested by hunters more frequently.

I agree it seemed like not a huge deal until recently with the northwest Arkansas deer decline. If that is true, it sure looks grim.

 

[hillrunner]

Good question. But my question “that will never get a straight answer” is how many deer did the state kill with snipers and or extra tags?

1 deer tested positive. Across the state line from me. Close, with in 2 miles. MO decided to give out 10 extra tags and mandatory testing 2 years ago. This year 5 extra tags and no testing.

If anyone thinks the decline in deer in a CWD Zone is “All” caused by CWD. They also believe Anthony Fauci is an expert on Covid.

That's exactly what I was getting at. That's why I'd like to hear from the hunters in the area before I come to a conclusion.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

I agree it would be nice to hear from some hunters there.

 

[SwampCat]

The one chart I saw showed the density started around 30 then declined down to the 2-5 dpsm range and stayed there.

It is odd though because at the time cwd was first detected there, it was already very common. So it was either there earlier than they realized or it spreads faster there for some reason.

The general layman’s consensus was it came in with the elk many years ago. It is difficult to deny that since the biggest hot spot was where the original elk herd was started

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

The general layman’s consensus was it came in with the elk many years ago. It is difficult to deny that since the biggest hot spot was where the original elk herd was started

That would make sense as one article I read said that the positive rate was around 20% the first time they started testing.

 

[356]

I was with the Missouri Department of Conservation Director, Jason Sumners, on Friday night when the new regs were posted. While I don't personally like some of the changes (including the removal of the APR at our cabin property), I understand the need for the change.

Jason is an avid deer hunter and habitat manager--in short--he is one of us and cares deeply for deer, turkey and the other critters hunters manage under what we call the North American Model of Conservation--which is the best in the world for wildlife populations. Those will the financial means might like the models used in other countries, including many in South America--those models tend to limit hunting access to the very rich. The deer we hunt are a public trust that just happen to visit our private properties.

The new regulations took hunter feedback seriously. Opinions in our state range from those who want to replicate Iowa (primarily landowners in northern Missouri), to those who think Arkansas and Kentucky have it right (let's harvest those bucks in velvet). What Missouri is not doing is burying their heads in the sand and falsely hoping CWD will go away.

Public feedback is important--and frankly, far more hunters wrote in about early youth season overlapping Halloween than they did EHD/CWD or adjusting rifle season out of the rut.

The MDC targeted removals in CWD positive areas last year reported 70 cases found through the removal of 4,768.

For more information on numbers in your county, reach out to Jason Isabelle, MDC Cervid Program Supervisor, 573-815-7901, ext. 2902, Jason.Isabelle@mdc.mo.gov

 

[SwampCat]

I agree it would be nice to hear from some hunters there.

The hunters I have talked to claim the public land has a very sparse deer population, while private landowners have not shot their deer down

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

The hunters I have talked to claim the public land has a very sparse deer population, while private landowners have not shot their deer down

That could be a mismanagement of the land especially in that region. It’s like the north Georgia mountains on public land. I bet they have 5 dpsm at best. Guess we can assume they have the cwd there too.
And just like nw ark they talk about those mountains being game rich environment prior to all the regulations on timber work. I’m sure the graph would look the same for deer densities there too

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

That could be a mismanagement of the land especially in that region. It’s like the north Georgia mountains on public land. I bet they have 5 dpsm at best. Guess we can assume they have the cwd there too.
And just like nw ark they talk about those mountains being game rich environment prior to all the regulations on timber work. I’m sure the graph would look the same for deer densities

The hunters I have talked to claim the public land has a very sparse deer population, while private landowners have not shot their deer down

That makes sense- if cwd annually kills say 25% of the deer population, then the deer numbers will drop fast if hunters shoot another 25%.

 

[SwampCat]

That could be a mismanagement of the land especially in that region. It’s like the north Georgia mountains on public land. I bet they have 5 dpsm at best. Guess we can assume they have the cwd there too.
And just like nw ark they talk about those mountains being game rich environment prior to all the regulations on timber work. I’m sure the graph would look the same for deer densities there too

Yes, I know about the north GA mountains. I have hunted there in the past 20 years. Deer densities were very low. I have also hunted in the north AR public land 10 to 15 years ago. There were a LOT of deer - no comparison to north GA. The public land hunters in NW AR tell me the decline in deer density started when the cwd regs went into effect - as was the plan of AG&F commission.