Life in Virginia
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4wanderingeyes
5 year old buck +
Terms such as
"Assault weapon"
"Assault rifle"
"High power semi auto"
"High capacity"
are just terms the left has thrown around to deceive the public.
"Assault weapon"
"Assault rifle"
"High power semi auto"
"High capacity"
are just terms the left has thrown around to deceive the public.
BenAllgood
5 year old buck +
Citizens of any country should have the right to be as well-armed as any country's military. Anything less is opening a path for oppression.
4wanderingeyes
5 year old buck +
Jack, while I can see your legislative point, but the fact that others have their back from other states mean something as well! If shit was about to get real in Virginia, there would be a lot more then 22,000 people there to help them!
Also, like one rally person said on an interview when they were asked if they will be protesting tomorrow as well, the guy said, "No, we have jobs"!
j-bird
Moderator
From what I have seen those in power in VA want to ban AR style weapons, "military style"" weapons and "high capacity" magazines and their associated weapons as well. I have no issue with background checks prior to a firearm sale.....but beyond that....no way! We give an inch they will take a foot. And for the NRA - last I heard they was in their own mess as it is in the selection of new leadership! The best way to avoid things like this is to vote! We had a similar bill get introduced this year already here....and it has died it's deserving death already! The left won't stop until we are living in a socialistic world, where they promise this "bliss" from any sort of "need".....yet ask any socialistic country how well that pans out for the average person!
Belchertown Bowman
5 year old buck +
Mortnensen,.. I am not sure I was making any point?,.. just like other posts here. Mostly enjoying the convo and posting a video I thought some of you might find funny to watch.
That's all.
That's all.
Tree Spud
5 year old buck +
I hope I am mis-understanding your comment, but you feel it is appropriate to stand in front of the public legislature in a fully covered public media event with the intent you are armed and ready for war with the governing body?
IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
One of the proposed bills also designated almost every weapon sold as an “assault weapon” and seams them illegal.
Literally anything semi-auto (pistol or rifle), and a large swath of shotguns. Essentially, the only firearms left legal would be revolvers and bolt actions.
They were all gung ho about pushing that “assault weapons” ban bill until things got so heated, and then they all of a sudden got cold feet about putting it on the docket for debate. So, I think the 2A advocates did an awesome job advocating for our rights and reminding these politicians that they can’t just walk over us.
The “red flag” laws are another non-starter in my book. If you can’t use the same justification to restrict the 1st amendment, it shouldn’t hold water for the 2nd.
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IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
Yes... that is a perfect reminder to the legislature of how seriously the populous takes their constitutional rights. That is, after all, the recourse the peoples have if the legislature decides to suppress us.
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Belchertown Bowman
5 year old buck +
Treespud,.. I specifically said I am not showing what I feel personally on whether is is appropriate to be in tactical combat gear in front of your legislature,.. as I do not wish to rile up anyone on this forum. I am keeping my feelings to myself on this topic and that is exactly what I stated above if you read it. This is a very heated and for many a personal topic. My views are my own, and I choose not to offend anyone here, many of which I consider friends.
Ikeman,.. show me that document/bill where almost every weapon will be deemed an assault weapon. I say you are incorrect,.. and that is not at all is what is being proposed. I showed you my source which is the local news in Virginia on what is being voted on,.. now you show me where they are proposing to label almost every weapon an assault weapon? Show that to us all?
Ikeman,.. show me that document/bill where almost every weapon will be deemed an assault weapon. I say you are incorrect,.. and that is not at all is what is being proposed. I showed you my source which is the local news in Virginia on what is being voted on,.. now you show me where they are proposing to label almost every weapon an assault weapon? Show that to us all?
Belchertown Bowman
5 year old buck +
Just as an update: they are now as of the Protest day advancing a Red Flag law in the Va. legislature. Once again I am not saying my opinion on such a law, I am just stating what is being done and where they are moving in that state.
PS this is one of the more informative/fact based articles I have seen on Va gun bills, laws, and peoples fears I have seen. Worth the read, although a bit long.
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/V...after-massive-gun-rights-rally-567172341.html
PS this is one of the more informative/fact based articles I have seen on Va gun bills, laws, and peoples fears I have seen. Worth the read, although a bit long.
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/V...after-massive-gun-rights-rally-567172341.html
IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
The text of SB16 classified any center fire rifle or pistol designed to hold more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon, and made it a felony to posses. More than 50% of all pistols sold in the US today are designed to hold more than 10. It also made "illegal" a whole slew of features, stocks, accessories, and
https://www.nvdaily.com/nvdaily/dem...cle_49fe9f34-02dd-54da-a458-36b2f6c0048b.html
“In an attempt to lay restrictions on the ownership of a semi-automatic weapon.... the bill bans fixed and detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds; folding or telescoping stocks; pistol grips that protrude “conspicuously”; thumbhole stocks; other secondary grips that allow the user to hold the weapon with their non-trigger hand and a variety of attachments on rifles.”
Or, the text from the actual bill itself if that satisfies you more... I have highlighted, in red, the overreaching definitions that caused such an uproar. literally hundreds of thousands of weapons would have been designated as assault weapons had this not been stricken down, making thousands upon thousands of law abiding citizens felons.
Assault firearm" means:
1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;
2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);
3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;
4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);
5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or
6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).
"Assault firearm" includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily assembled into an assault firearm. "Assault firearm" does not include (i) a firearm that has been rendered permanently inoperable, (ii) an antique firearm as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2, or (iii) a curio or relic as defined in § 18.2-308.2:2.
IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
As far as “red flag laws” go, I consider them direct infringements of the constitution.
Removing constitutional rights without due process, denying the accused their right to face their accuser, and wiping away the US legal stance of innocent until proven guilty.
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Removing constitutional rights without due process, denying the accused their right to face their accuser, and wiping away the US legal stance of innocent until proven guilty.
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Belchertown Bowman
5 year old buck +
SB 16 (from your article)
Sen. Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, said he has seen similar bills introduced every year he has been in the General Assembly and they have never had any success.
every year.
Because one guy proposes something,.. does not mean it is going to become law. That happens all the time, in legislatures all across this country. People propose bat shit crazy stuff on a regular basis.
No one need panic,.. if it advances to a vote that is different but it will not happen.
Sen. Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, said he has seen similar bills introduced every year he has been in the General Assembly and they have never had any success.
every year.
Because one guy proposes something,.. does not mean it is going to become law. That happens all the time, in legislatures all across this country. People propose bat shit crazy stuff on a regular basis.
No one need panic,.. if it advances to a vote that is different but it will not happen.
IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
You asked for my source material when I mentioned proposed bills that overreached on “assault weapons” definitions, and claimed I was incorrect. So, I provided you with the exact bill and the exact subset of the text as reference.
I didn’t realize that an actual bill proposed to the senate didn’t count somehow....
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I didn’t realize that an actual bill proposed to the senate didn’t count somehow....
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dogghr
5 year old buck +
Said the Jews as their freedoms of everything from worship, to business ownership, to freedom of movement that began to be controlled one step at a time beginning in the early - mid 1930s. Minor inconveniences supposedly. That presumed by the world, until they finally began to be herded up for their death marches.
Belchertown Bowman
5 year old buck +
And Thanks Tex,.. I do appreciate the info, and it was well presented.
Well it is not really a concern (at least not to me) if it is being proposed every year and it never advances.
Was it a concern to you last year? I understand the legislature has flipped to Dem but Dems are not out to ban all guns.
This will not advance to be voted, on and if it was it will not pass.
Meanwhile the media will gin us all up,.. and revolution needs to be right at our doorstep,.. grab your guns boys!
How many years have we heard they are going to take our guns away?
No one is coming to take your guns away.
Well it is not really a concern (at least not to me) if it is being proposed every year and it never advances.
Was it a concern to you last year? I understand the legislature has flipped to Dem but Dems are not out to ban all guns.
This will not advance to be voted, on and if it was it will not pass.
Meanwhile the media will gin us all up,.. and revolution needs to be right at our doorstep,.. grab your guns boys!
How many years have we heard they are going to take our guns away?
No one is coming to take your guns away.
Catscratch
5 year old buck +
These similar bills that never pass... were they proposed to the same politicians, or is there a chance that this time it could be different? After reading that proposed bill I can understand why people went full defensive mode.
IkemanTx
5 year old buck +
The Dem ownership of all 3 branches, and the party leaders throwing as much support and lip service to the bill before all the outcry started is what puts it on the radar this year.
With a republican governor to veto, maybe no big deal. With a republican senate, no big deal.
With a gung-ho “get what we can while it lasts” mentality that often arises when all three branches are controlled by the same party... it was a MUCH bigger deal than in years pst when it is just so the senator can claim on the campaign trail that they tried. (Knowing full well it wouldn’t go anywhere).
Maybe good will come out of it...
perhaps Virginians will be pissed off enough to go back red in this election cycle.
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With a republican governor to veto, maybe no big deal. With a republican senate, no big deal.
With a gung-ho “get what we can while it lasts” mentality that often arises when all three branches are controlled by the same party... it was a MUCH bigger deal than in years pst when it is just so the senator can claim on the campaign trail that they tried. (Knowing full well it wouldn’t go anywhere).
Maybe good will come out of it...
perhaps Virginians will be pissed off enough to go back red in this election cycle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Peplin Creek
5 year old buck +
Honestly it probably does have a shot at passing. When I look at that language, I see it as a ban on weapons and accessories that aren’t your traditional styled hunting firearms. You can still have a semi auto shotgun and rifle for hunting. There are many Americans who think that’s all the general public should have. It’s tough to say how this one goes. I can guarantee that people who don’t live and breath firearms like most of us on this forum, are looking at those images from the rally and thinking what the heck does a person need body armour and high capacity magazine rifle for. From an optics stand point, I don’t know if they really convinced anyone new to support the fight.
