How bad is the ammo n gun shortage by you?
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Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
My goodness, that's 5400+ 77 grain tipped match kings a year.. That's a lot of fun!
Foggy47
5 year old buck +
Shifting gears here a bit......and I was just on the phone with my BIL. He says when it's getting dark.....he uses his cell phone's camera to get a night vision-like look through his phone to see better in the dark. He claims this really works good to count antler tips, etc. Anyone else doing this?
Now....if someone could use that tech to apply it to your scope......you could have a night vision scope on the cheap.
Now....if someone could use that tech to apply it to your scope......you could have a night vision scope on the cheap.
b116757
5 year old buck +
Just add a phone mount behind your scope maybe???
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
Well Eff. This is the shits. Really don't like foreign entities controlling this much of our ammo manufacturing. My optimism is quickly turning to concern!
Edit: and i'm buying more .224 bullets
www.all4shooters.com
Edit: and i'm buying more .224 bullets
Czechoslovak Group gets U.S. ammunition brands: CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington, Speer
Vista Outdoor divests its historic ammunition brands to CSG Group* KINETIC GROUP *CSG Group controls most global sporting/hunting ammunition
www.all4shooters.com
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Foggy47
5 year old buck +
I found this article quite interesting. The USA sure spends allot of dollars on defense......This is The Who is Who in the industry.
www.businessinsider.com
The 25 Biggest Defense Companies In America
www.businessinsider.com
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
And Biden was saying we need to give another $100 Billion to Isreal and Ukraine last night..
While we have this: https://x.com/apompliano/status/1715168832841544100?s=46&t=hX77kewai3jTXHlzYxDJsg
Quick off the cuff calculation- that equates to roughly $8.58/hr, 24 hrs a day, for every employed American who pays federal taxes. More than minimum wage in most of the country, but 24 hours a day. Freaking bonkers. That hit me like a ton of bricks.
While we have this: https://x.com/apompliano/status/1715168832841544100?s=46&t=hX77kewai3jTXHlzYxDJsg
Quick off the cuff calculation- that equates to roughly $8.58/hr, 24 hrs a day, for every employed American who pays federal taxes. More than minimum wage in most of the country, but 24 hours a day. Freaking bonkers. That hit me like a ton of bricks.
Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
Numbers so large they become abstract.
b116757
5 year old buck +
Lake City Ammo Plant Cancels All Commercial Contracts – Update
***MAJOR UPDATE*** 10/31/23 Lake City Ammo Plant has confirmed that they are NOT canceling commercial contracts, and they are not changing their commercial distribution policies. You can read their official statement here. I’ll leave the rest of this article up for posterity’s sake, but the...
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Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
"Dear Customers of KIR Ammo:
Several events over the past week have contributed to a significantly tumultuous time in the ammo industry. I will address these as succinctly and objectively as possible to give you information you can use and share to make informed decisions about ammo purchases in the coming months.
1) The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant is the single largest producer of rifle ammunition for the U.S. military and is operated by Winchester-Olin. Winchester holds the contract to run the plant and is thereby granted permission to sell some of the ammo that is produced there - this includes 5.56x45mm M193 and M855, the most popular rifle cartridges in America. On Thursday last week, we were informed that demand from the military has overridden all existing commercial orders, and that Lake City has temporarily suspended all production for the civilian market. When will this end? We do not know, but an educated guess might be a few weeks to a couple months - however I could be wrong; we can't tell with certainty. This move has already tightened supply and demand has soared for many popular calibers including, but not limited to: 5.56x45mm NATO, .223 Rem, 9mm, 7.62x39mm, and .308 Win. We have secured a temporary supply of 5.56 FMJ which will be arriving throughout this coming week, but we do not know how long it will be available on the open market. I will share more information as I learn it.
2) On Friday morning (10/13), Hornady experienced a fatal explosion at one of its manufacturing plants in Wood River, NE. Sadly, one woman died, and the cause of the explosion has not been determined. Reports state the explosion occurred at a chemical compound building which we can safely assume manufactures and stores powder and/or coatings for Hornady ammo. Hornady has been tight lipped about what happened (rightfully so after such a tragic event) and we do not know how this will affect production, but it would make sense that this will tighten supply on Hornady products. Which specific products, we cannot say; it may be all of them, or just a subset (think Superformance hunting rounds vs. Frontier that use different powders).
3) The recent conflict in the Middle East has further tightened supply on ammunition and firearms from IWI (Israel Military Industries). These include their popular Razor Core line of 5.56 and various firearms. Mass shipments of ammunition are confirmed to have been delivered from the U.S. to meet demand. This ties into the Lake City's restriction on commercial sales. The continuing conflict in Ukraine has tightened supply around .338 Lapua Mag, 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, and other popular calibers. I do not anticipate Covid-type levels of inflation, but with all of these factors combined, we are inching in that direction.
4) KIR Ammo is the #1 distributor of Norma Ammunition products in the State of Texas, so we keep in close communication with their U.S. HQ in Savannah, GA. As of Thursday last week, Norma is completely sold out of all major FMJ calibers mentioned above. They are not sure when the next run of 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, or 9mm will happen, but they are completely out of that ammo for now. We were able to secure (only!) two pallets of 5.56x45mm which will be delivered sometime in the next week or two. This gives you an idea on how strong demand has gotten in a very short period of time. Norma is not the only manufacturer affected by this supply constriction.
5) Black Hills Ammunition, famed manufacturer of the 5.56x45mm MK262 MOD 1-C cartridge, will likely halt commercial sales of that particular variation as well. They did not make any formal announcements, but it is a safe guess that we won't be seeing that round available for some time. We were lucky enough to receive half a pallet early last week before the preceding events transpired.
Here at KIR Ammo, we are experiencing record levels of demand and will continue to ship all of your orders in a timely manner without sacrificing service and quality. We always try our best to get back to each and every one of you when you have questions, but please bear with us as right now we are "all-hands-on-deck" in the warehouse, printing, picking, packing, and shipping!
Several events over the past week have contributed to a significantly tumultuous time in the ammo industry. I will address these as succinctly and objectively as possible to give you information you can use and share to make informed decisions about ammo purchases in the coming months.
1) The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant is the single largest producer of rifle ammunition for the U.S. military and is operated by Winchester-Olin. Winchester holds the contract to run the plant and is thereby granted permission to sell some of the ammo that is produced there - this includes 5.56x45mm M193 and M855, the most popular rifle cartridges in America. On Thursday last week, we were informed that demand from the military has overridden all existing commercial orders, and that Lake City has temporarily suspended all production for the civilian market. When will this end? We do not know, but an educated guess might be a few weeks to a couple months - however I could be wrong; we can't tell with certainty. This move has already tightened supply and demand has soared for many popular calibers including, but not limited to: 5.56x45mm NATO, .223 Rem, 9mm, 7.62x39mm, and .308 Win. We have secured a temporary supply of 5.56 FMJ which will be arriving throughout this coming week, but we do not know how long it will be available on the open market. I will share more information as I learn it.
2) On Friday morning (10/13), Hornady experienced a fatal explosion at one of its manufacturing plants in Wood River, NE. Sadly, one woman died, and the cause of the explosion has not been determined. Reports state the explosion occurred at a chemical compound building which we can safely assume manufactures and stores powder and/or coatings for Hornady ammo. Hornady has been tight lipped about what happened (rightfully so after such a tragic event) and we do not know how this will affect production, but it would make sense that this will tighten supply on Hornady products. Which specific products, we cannot say; it may be all of them, or just a subset (think Superformance hunting rounds vs. Frontier that use different powders).
3) The recent conflict in the Middle East has further tightened supply on ammunition and firearms from IWI (Israel Military Industries). These include their popular Razor Core line of 5.56 and various firearms. Mass shipments of ammunition are confirmed to have been delivered from the U.S. to meet demand. This ties into the Lake City's restriction on commercial sales. The continuing conflict in Ukraine has tightened supply around .338 Lapua Mag, 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, and other popular calibers. I do not anticipate Covid-type levels of inflation, but with all of these factors combined, we are inching in that direction.
4) KIR Ammo is the #1 distributor of Norma Ammunition products in the State of Texas, so we keep in close communication with their U.S. HQ in Savannah, GA. As of Thursday last week, Norma is completely sold out of all major FMJ calibers mentioned above. They are not sure when the next run of 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, or 9mm will happen, but they are completely out of that ammo for now. We were able to secure (only!) two pallets of 5.56x45mm which will be delivered sometime in the next week or two. This gives you an idea on how strong demand has gotten in a very short period of time. Norma is not the only manufacturer affected by this supply constriction.
5) Black Hills Ammunition, famed manufacturer of the 5.56x45mm MK262 MOD 1-C cartridge, will likely halt commercial sales of that particular variation as well. They did not make any formal announcements, but it is a safe guess that we won't be seeing that round available for some time. We were lucky enough to receive half a pallet early last week before the preceding events transpired.
Here at KIR Ammo, we are experiencing record levels of demand and will continue to ship all of your orders in a timely manner without sacrificing service and quality. We always try our best to get back to each and every one of you when you have questions, but please bear with us as right now we are "all-hands-on-deck" in the warehouse, printing, picking, packing, and shipping!
Foggy47
5 year old buck +
I thought I had just read that Lake City is owned by ATK. But I wonder if they dont license to Winchester or vice versa for the civilian and military markets. Another thing not mentioned here....is that a foreign entity has just purchased the Federal / Speer / Remington and other trade names are being sold too. A perfect storm?Lake City Ammo Plant Cancels All Commercial Contracts – Update
***MAJOR UPDATE*** 10/31/23 Lake City Ammo Plant has confirmed that they are NOT canceling commercial contracts, and they are not changing their commercial distribution policies. You can read their official statement here. I’ll leave the rest of this article up for posterity’s sake, but the...
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Czechoslovak Group Makes Bid For Federal, CCI, Hevi-Shot, Remington Ammo & Speer
Vista Outdoor announced a definitive agreement to sell its Sporting Products business to Czechoslovak Group (CSG) on Oct. 1. The all-cash transaction includes ownership transfer of some of the industry’s biggest names in ammunition, including Federal, CCI, Remington Ammo, Speer and Hevi-Shot.
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
I thought I had just read that Lake City is owned by ATK. But I wonder if they dont license to Winchester or vice versa for the civilian and military markets. Another thing not mentioned here....is that a foreign entity has just purchased the Federal / Speer / Remington and other trade names are being sold too. A perfect storm?
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Czechoslovak Group Makes Bid For Federal, CCI, Hevi-Shot, Remington Ammo & Speer
Vista Outdoor announced a definitive agreement to sell its Sporting Products business to Czechoslovak Group (CSG) on Oct. 1. The all-cash transaction includes ownership transfer of some of the industry’s biggest names in ammunition, including Federal, CCI, Remington Ammo, Speer and Hevi-Shot.www.americanrifleman.org
Lake City is owned by the federal government but they contract out actual operation of it. ATK Operated 2001-2019 and Winchester/Olin has operated it since 2020
b116757
5 year old buck +
usually on those defense contracts like that where the governments owns the equipment the employees never accually chamge except top managment the employees checks simply have a new name as employer at the top. Low bid gets it so every new employer tries to squeeze the employees for every nickel they can it’s a crap system.
