Growing out Apple/Pear Rootstocks

[gunfun13]

Has anyone ever grown out rootstocks to see what they produce? I have some B118, M111, and OHxF97 with failed grafts, wondering if they'll produce something deer will like if I just let them go? Otherwise I'll regraft or turn into stool beds.

 

[Prof.Kent]

Deer will eat anything. The question is When will the fruit drop?

 

[gunfun13]

Deer will eat anything. The question is When will the fruit drop?

Yes, I curious about the fruiting characteristics

 

[sandbur]

If you do a search, a lady called Lois had some good posts on B118 fruit.

I have two B118 that are about 7 or 8 feet tall. I hope to see some fruit soon.

I have a rootstock crab that drops this time of year. I suspect it is Columbia. Maybe I can get a picture this weekend.

I also have some ranetka that are failed grafts, but no fruit, yet.


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[sandbur]

Post 94 in a locked thread is where Lois E. Brenneman FNP has a few paragraphs about B118 and how it is a red fleshed crab and edible. I believe she mentions it in another thread.

Could a moderator add that part of her post or posts to this thread?


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[Prof.Kent]

I HAVE HEARD that MM111 rootstock, as a tree, produces palatable apples.
Of course, I've also heard that there are more than two genders.

 

[chickenlittle]

You can find some of the rootstocks in the USDA GRIN collection or on Extension.org.

MM.111 is a cross of Northern Spy to get wooly aphid resistance. https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1003091, big red apple, ripens after red delicious so early Octoberish and holds past maturity on the tree. vigorous tree.
DNA testing shows the GRIN listing of Red Dijmanszoet is actually MM.111. https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1022047
https://articles.extension.org/pages/60915/apple-rootstock-info:-mm111-emla

Budagovsky 54-118 or Bud 118, https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1017497 - small red apple, very early apple July/August, vigorous tree

Here is P.18, a big yellow apple, earlier apple Aug/Sept
https://articles.extension.org/pages/60852/apple-rootstock-info:-p18
https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1331981

The USDA GRIN pear repository in Corvallis OR has many dozens of pears that were evaluated as rootstocks. I grafted some of the later ones last spring.
They have 40 OHxF crosses but I've read that testing shows there really wasn't any F. Instead of Farmingdale, these are likely crosses of Old Home with Bartlett.

OHxF97 https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1436306 no photo the fruit. Ripens end of Sept/begin October in Corvallis OR.
OHxF87 https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/accessiondetail.aspx?1436351. fruit shown. Ripens beginning of Sept.

 

[chickenlittle]

So for Gunfun, I'd say you are fine to let the MM111 and OHxF97 grow out as those are later ripening ones that should be good deer draw. Unless you want some very early apples, regraft the early ripening B118 or make a stoolbed to produce more B118. Bu

 

[gunfun13]

Pretty much exactly what I was looking for chickenlittle. Thank you!

 

[Prof.Kent]

Thanks, chickenlittle. You sir, are a stinkin' genius.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

My experience with growing rootstocks out involves only 4 rootstocks - (2) MM-111 and (2) B-118. I planted them and cared for them the same way as all our other apples and crabs. After 4 years in the ground, they were about 4 ft. tall and were only starting to make branches. I yanked them all to re-plant known DR apples in their place. I don't have years to wait for question marks !!

 

[sandbur]

If you do a search, a lady called Lois had some good posts on B118 fruit.

I have two B118 that are about 7 or 8 feet tall. I hope to see some fruit soon.

I have a rootstock crab that drops this time of year. I suspect it is Columbia. Maybe I can get a picture this weekend.

I also have some ranetka that are failed grafts, but no fruit, yet.


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Here is that rootstock crab that probably is Columbia. It has dropped about half of it’s apples since Nov.1.

I only prune what I can reach.


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[sandbur]

If you do a search, a lady called Lois had some good posts on B118 fruit.

I have two B118 that are about 7 or 8 feet tall. I hope to see some fruit soon.

I have a rootstock crab that drops this time of year. I suspect it is Columbia. Maybe I can get a picture this weekend.

I also have some ranetka that are failed grafts, but no fruit, yet.


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Here is that rootstock crab that probably is Columbia. It has dropped about half of it’s apples since Nov.1.

I only prune what I can reach.


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This is the off year for fruit production, but the fruit Spurs indicate next year should be great.

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[sandbur]

Pictures from a good year.

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[Bowsnbucks]

^^^^ That tree looks like a winner, Bur !! I'd like to have a couple just like that one.

 

[sandbur]

This one is by my garden, but I have two or more top works and some bench grafts that are starting to produce the last two years or so.
Also one or two grown from a piece of root.


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[IkemanTx]

I recently came across what I assume is a pear root stock from an old homestead on public land. It was dropping the first two weeks of November, which is GOLDEN. I’ve got to decide which way I’m going to go, either rooting cuttings, or grafting onto something else.

There is no telling what root stock it may have been, but it is at least proof that the idea can work.


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[PoorSand]

Here's what one person has said about MM106 rootstock apples: http://www.suttonelms.org.uk/mm106.html

 

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[paleopoint]

Ooooops, that post above with the deer on their hind-legs is a goof.

I intended it to go to the 'how long does it take' thread.