Drones in research

[Hoytvectrix]

I know that there is quite a bit of negative sentiments for drones on here, or at least a healthy skepticism of their use, which I completely understand and agree with.

I am becoming quite a fan of this guy's channel. I would say he needs to put a few more qualifiers into his statements or when summarizing observations that this is just what he has seen on the one property. With that said, I am loving what he is showing through the drone footage. This latest video is about trail camera detections vs. what was actually in an area for deer.

I actually think the more that these are used (and the effectiveness of the technology becomes better known), policy makers will be able to make more informed decisions on their use. Think back with what happened with Kansas and trail camera legislation. There is obviously a steep learning curve for technology and the laws that regulate it. For now, I am really enjoying learning more about unobstructed deer movement and behavior.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

My main issue, among others, is there’s literally zero chance these drones are being kept on a single piece of land. So all this is at the expense of some neighboring landowner having their privacy invaded for clicks.

 

[BenA]

My main issue, among others, is there’s literally zero chance these drones are being kept on a single piece of land. So all this is at the expense of some neighboring landowner having their privacy invaded for clicks.

I don't think we're going to stop drone technology from advancing, so I think there needs to be advances in technology to shield an area from surveillance. Like privacy fences and screens, we have to shield from eyes in the sky too. I'm sure tech will advance to counteract it. On the other hand, deer are a public resource. The public can't shoot them on our property, so they shouldn't be able to view them either? Who is going to stop them? We put screens at roads, blocking public view into our properties. Tech will probably advance so we have the means to block (non-destructively) surveillance from all angles. Yeah, I don't want people looking into every corner of my property, but laws aren't going to stop that. Regulations are only going to go so far. I think some bright-minded individuals need to come up with an affordable screening technology so I can just run a solar powered cloak of invisibility around the whole thing.

 

[Telemark]

I think it's very reasonable to make a law that says you may not fly a drone over private property, and likewise it should be illegal to observe private property from a drone.

If the 4th ammendment protects our rights to our private property, there is no reason that should not extend to airborne technology.

As far as using drones to observe wildlife, I have no problem with it per se. It might be reasonable to make a law like out west where it is illegal to fly a drone and hunt on the same day.

 

[Feelslikefar.]

So all this is at the expense of some neighboring landowner having their privacy invaded for clicks.

I see drone footage on Youtube shot from moving vehicles all the time. A no-no IIRC.
Whenever I see drone shots in Youtube videos I wonder how many of them have proper licensing, since they're using them for commercial purposes, being paid by Youtube. I'd hazard a guess most of them don't. So like all other laws, if they're already ignoring the basic existing ones, will even more stop them?

 

[Westwind]

I always like to point this out when it comes up- The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from government intrusion.

Same with the First. It really helps to keep this in mind when thinking about these issues.

This drone issue is certainly thorny. I don’t want drones buzzing around my place either but not sure how to regulate that without unintended consequences. Also before we make laws we gotta figure out who is going to enforce it. And are they capable of enforcing it.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

From what I understand there is no law on the books that would protect a landowner from another citizen parking a drone over their property 365 days a year 24 hours a day as long as they weren’t harassing them or livestock

 

[weekender21]

From what I understand there is no law on the books that would protect a landowner from another citizen parking a drone over their property 365 days a year 24 hours a day as long as they weren’t harassing them or livestock

I don’t think that’s true everywhere, there are definitely privacy laws that would prevent this in at least some places. I’m sure more will come.

I enjoy the research aspect of drones. I’m very concerned anti drone hunting laws will be nearly impossible to enforce.


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[Westwind]

From what I understand there is no law on the books that would protect a landowner from another citizen parking a drone over their property 365 days a year 24 hours a day as long as they weren’t harassing them or livestock

The potential for the harassment of humans (let alone wildlife or livestock) is enormous.

Most of the legislation I am aware of in my state involves legislative fretting about the fair chase of criminals not the fair chase of wildlife.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

The potential for the harassment of humans (let alone wildlife or livestock) is enormous.

Most of the legislation I am aware of in my state involves legislative fretting about the fair chase of criminals not the fair chase of wildlife.

Until I see a case where someone gets in trouble I won’t believe it. What’s stopping someone from setting a couple hundred feet over a swimming people and watching a bunch of girls in bathing suits

 

[Hoytvectrix]

Let me preface this by saying that I want as little government intrusion as possible, but I was thinking about one way of enforcing this type of law.

These are regulated as aircraft by the FAA. Currently there are no flight logs required for drones that fly below 400 ft. Why not ensure that drones above a certain size automatically log flight times and paths with the FAA. This would require a cell service, but for someone dropping 15-20k on a drone, a couple of bucks a month would be nominal. It wouldn't prevent someone from flying where and when they shouldn't be, but at least there would be a way of knowing who it is and holding them accountable after the fact.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

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[Feelslikefar.]

More government, more regulation, more taxes, more fees..... wonderful.

 

[T-Max]

More government, more regulation, more taxes, more fees..... wonderful.

It’s the classic tragedy of the commons. Airspace being the new commons…


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[Turkish]

My main issue, among others, is there’s literally zero chance these drones are being kept on a single piece of land. So all this is at the expense of some neighboring landowner having their privacy invaded for clicks.

It crystallized a little bit for me recently when I had this realization.

What’s hunting gonna be like when thermal drones are $200? There may not be a turkey left in MS.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I’m not a huge fan of new laws either but as thing evolve, laws better evolve with it because a society of this size left to its own devices will self destruct in no time

 

[Feelslikefar.]

It crystallized a little bit for me recently when I had this realization.

What’s hunting gonna be like when thermal drones are $200? There may not be a turkey left in MS.

What's hunting/poaching going to be like when night vision costs less than the rifles they go one? Oh wait, they are.

Don't worry, your fish and game departments will come up with plenty of laws that are intended to protect the turkeys from drones. They have have jobs they want to keep and budgets they want to expand, there will be no shortage of laws and regulations.

 

[Turkish]

What's hunting/poaching going to be like when night vision costs less than the rifles they go one? Oh wait, they are.

Don't worry, your fish and game departments will come up with plenty of laws that are intended to protect the turkeys from drones. They have have jobs they want to keep and budgets they want to expand, there will be no shortage of laws and regulations.

Night hunting was and will be illegal and socially unacceptable.

 

[Feelslikefar.]

Night hunting was and will be illegal and socially unacceptable.

And people will continue to do it, regardless of that.

 

[Turkish]

And people will continue to do it, regardless of that.

We will just have to disagree on the relevance of that analogy. I have no interest in swaying your opinion.