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Troubles Trees said:
The proof I offer?
Deaths and cases are step for step. Do you know when India implemented the use of Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine countrywide? At the end of April, feel free to click on the link I provided above and see where that major spike ends.
People want to put on blinders and believe that the government isn't intentionally trying to instill fear in all of us. They want to believe the FDA only has their best interest at heart yet they only recommend Remdisivir that doesn't work, go look up the numbers on that friends. Monoclonal Antibodies are FDA approved and have shown good success but not many hospitals aren't using it unfortunately. Here in the US we test positive and are told to go quarantine at home until we have breathing problems, then go to the hospital, WHY? There are no large scale clinical trials for Ivermectin or HCQ but meta-analysts of combined small studies that equal to 2.5 times the number of people that Pfizer used in the jab clinical trials. The WHO still... to this day... despite their low numbers condemns India for using theraputics to treat Covid, RED FLAGS ANYONE?

For clarity, I am very much informed. I watched all 8 hours and 10 minutes of the FDA panel discussion prior to the NO vote to recommend the booster... just before Biden recommended it, weird right? I also watched 2 of the 4 day International Covid Summit in Italy held last month. I have been sifting through clinical trials and studies for well over a year now, if anyone has any questions I can show you where answers are. I don't claim to be a scientist, or a DR, but I read and listen to what they are saying.


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Well, here's the thing, "bud", you can spend half your life on YouTube consuming information (valid and otherwise), but that doesn't make you "informed". Being informed implies you have the ability to understand and process the information. Before this statement offends you recognize we all have our areas of strength and weakness and things on which we are truly informed and ignorant. The problem with the internet is it has cause people to think because they can Google or Youtube something they think they must understand it regardless of their actual education/experience. Implying that cumulative meta analysis are somehow comparable in validity to randomized controlled trials shows that you lack an understanding of these different methodologies and the serious limitations of meta analyses. As does falling for the classic correlation = causation trap. By this logic global warming is caused by a lack of pirates -- https://www.datasciencecentral.com/...phs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not

One can both believe in science and that the government won't let a good crisis go to waste. As you rightly noted an expert panel paid for their time but with no stake in the decision voted against boosters -- and many of them resigned when their opinion was ignored under the pressure of politics. I'm more on your side than against it but I have issues with bad information.

And I do claim to be a scientist. In a very relevant specialty. So I am certainly "informed". It's totally fine not to be a scientist or a doctor but the point of my prior post is only searching out and listening to those saying what you have already decided you believe is the antithesis of science, and there is a whole lot of that going on. For example I tried to look up whatever Italian conference you attended and that thing was so under the wire I couldn't even find it. I'm certain credentialed, in-demand experts respected in their field seek out such obscure venues....sarcasm intended. I've looked up a few of the "experts" referenced here and most appear to be individuals that have washed out of real science, developed a complex, embraced the factions which give them the notoriety they crave, and could no longer get a publication through peer review. So they go around making Youtube videos and speaking at fake conferences for these groups.

Carry on with the memes, I won't be back to this thread.
 
spaniel said:
I was supposed to go to Paris for work in a month. While initially looking forward to it as I haven't been there, lately I had decided I'd rather not go. Today the company banned international travel except under specific circumstances with high level approval. I'm not going to die on a hill over this trip so I'm canceling.

The conspiracy theories are just that. We have a US Senator quoting a Lancet article claiming it supports this being out of a lab and not the food market. Well, I'm a cell and molecular biologist so I actually read the paper. It says no such thing. It says this virus is most closely related to a couple already known from bats in China, with a genetic "distance" indicating that it may have jumped and spent some time in a transition species before ending up in humans. There is a report of a highly similar virus found in pangolins, a threatened species known to be in the black market food supply in China where they consider it a delicacy. So everything actually lines up that this is yet another case of a virus jumping species to an unsanitary and undomesticated food supply.
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Still on board with all this?
 
spaniel said:
Well, here's the thing, "bud", you can spend half your life on YouTube consuming information (valid and otherwise), but that doesn't make you "informed". Being informed implies you have the ability to understand and process the information. Before this statement offends you recognize we all have our areas of strength and weakness and things on which we are truly informed and ignorant. The problem with the internet is it has cause people to think because they can Google or Youtube something they think they must understand it regardless of their actual education/experience. Implying that cumulative meta analysis are somehow comparable in validity to randomized controlled trials shows that you lack an understanding of these different methodologies and the serious limitations of meta analyses. As does falling for the classic correlation = causation trap. By this logic global warming is caused by a lack of pirates -- https://www.datasciencecentral.com/...phs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not

One can both believe in science and that the government won't let a good crisis go to waste. As you rightly noted an expert panel paid for their time but with no stake in the decision voted against boosters -- and many of them resigned when their opinion was ignored under the pressure of politics. I'm more on your side than against it but I have issues with bad information.

And I do claim to be a scientist. In a very relevant specialty. So I am certainly "informed". It's totally fine not to be a scientist or a doctor but the point of my prior post is only searching out and listening to those saying what you have already decided you believe is the antithesis of science, and there is a whole lot of that going on. For example I tried to look up whatever Italian conference you attended and that thing was so under the wire I couldn't even find it. I'm certain credentialed, in-demand experts respected in their field seek out such obscure venues....sarcasm intended. I've looked up a few of the "experts" referenced here and most appear to be individuals that have washed out of real science, developed a complex, embraced the factions which give them the notoriety they crave, and could no longer get a publication through peer review. So they go around making Youtube videos and speaking at fake conferences for these groups.

Carry on with the memes, I won't be back to this thread.
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YOU JUST DESCRIBED LORD fAUCCI
 
spaniel said:
Well, here's the thing, "bud", you can spend half your life on YouTube consuming information (valid and otherwise), but that doesn't make you "informed". Being informed implies you have the ability to understand and process the information. Before this statement offends you recognize we all have our areas of strength and weakness and things on which we are truly informed and ignorant. The problem with the internet is it has cause people to think because they can Google or Youtube something they think they must understand it regardless of their actual education/experience. Implying that cumulative meta analysis are somehow comparable in validity to randomized controlled trials shows that you lack an understanding of these different methodologies and the serious limitations of meta analyses. As does falling for the classic correlation = causation trap. By this logic global warming is caused by a lack of pirates -- https://www.datasciencecentral.com/...phs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not

One can both believe in science and that the government won't let a good crisis go to waste. As you rightly noted an expert panel paid for their time but with no stake in the decision voted against boosters -- and many of them resigned when their opinion was ignored under the pressure of politics. I'm more on your side than against it but I have issues with bad information.

And I do claim to be a scientist. In a very relevant specialty. So I am certainly "informed". It's totally fine not to be a scientist or a doctor but the point of my prior post is only searching out and listening to those saying what you have already decided you believe is the antithesis of science, and there is a whole lot of that going on. For example I tried to look up whatever Italian conference you attended and that thing was so under the wire I couldn't even find it. I'm certain credentialed, in-demand experts respected in their field seek out such obscure venues....sarcasm intended. I've looked up a few of the "experts" referenced here and most appear to be individuals that have washed out of real science, developed a complex, embraced the factions which give them the notoriety they crave, and could no longer get a publication through peer review. So they go around making Youtube videos and speaking at fake conferences for these groups.

Carry on with the memes, I won't be back to this thread.
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Google censors info, so does YouTube.

Anyone is welcome to dispute what I claim, and I am more than happy to show them at any time but you didn't actually dispute my facts with any of yours, you didn't even state any facts to open the discussion :/

If you listened to the 8 hours and 10 minutes of the FDA panel discussion, like I did, you would get the reiteration of the ICS and many other studies and trials I’ve read. The vaccines don’t work as sold to the public, they knew it from the clinical trials Pfizer did as did the CDC and yet they sold it to the public as safe and effective at preventing the spread of Covid, yet they pitched it as "get your jab and take off your mask". Much of the damning information that came out of the vaccine trial about side effects like death were completely left out. In one testimonial the Dr asks about HIS patient that was in the Pfizer trial and was paralyzed from the vaccine, she was HIS 21 year old patient yet the trials show not one person was paralyzed? No Mydocarditis, no major blood clotting or any of the other side effects they fail to mention when selling it as safe and effective. There is further proof similar to this but since you left this thread I suppose I won’t waste my time explaining it further.

In case you do, Day 1 of the International Covid Summit was mostly introductory so I would suggest starting with day 2 and I posted the link below. The first speaker is Dr. Robert Malone that created the technology that led to mRNA Gene therapy so if you feel these are just kooky scientists and Dr’s, well I can’t help you “bud”. It was easy to find, I’m surprised an informed scientist such as yourself couldn’t find it, either way I did the leg work for you, all you have to do is watch. I’m curious to what depth your knowledge goes regarding Covid as well as where you look for your information? Do you wait until the paperbacks are out on these studies or do you use the misinformed internet like everyone else?

If you are skeptical of the science and Dr's how do you trust what you have learned is accurate? Is it only your sources that are credible? Feel free to try and find Dr. Paul E. Marik, Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Pierre Kory as kooks please because I would genuinely like to hear it.

BTW the human version of horse dewormer, Ivermectin, works and so does hydroxychloroquine , the vaccines don’t, Epstein didn’t kill himself so LETS GO BRANDON!! :)

 
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For transparency here is the 8 hour FDA panel discussion, oddly both are left up on YouTube so they must be factual?

 
This this this

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The proof this has nothing to do with the virus otherwise they would be forcing anyone coming across the southern border to get the jab


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Means of production (I.e. mechanisms to sustain life on earth) are being slowly idled piece by piece.

This came out this afternoon.

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spaniel said:
Well, here's the thing, "bud", you can spend half your life on YouTube consuming information (valid and otherwise), but that doesn't make you "informed". Being informed implies you have the ability to understand and process the information. Before this statement offends you recognize we all have our areas of strength and weakness and things on which we are truly informed and ignorant. The problem with the internet is it has cause people to think because they can Google or Youtube something they think they must understand it regardless of their actual education/experience. Implying that cumulative meta analysis are somehow comparable in validity to randomized controlled trials shows that you lack an understanding of these different methodologies and the serious limitations of meta analyses. As does falling for the classic correlation = causation trap. By this logic global warming is caused by a lack of pirates -- https://www.datasciencecentral.com/...phs-and-pirates-prove-that-correlation-is-not

One can both believe in science and that the government won't let a good crisis go to waste. As you rightly noted an expert panel paid for their time but with no stake in the decision voted against boosters -- and many of them resigned when their opinion was ignored under the pressure of politics. I'm more on your side than against it but I have issues with bad information.

And I do claim to be a scientist. In a very relevant specialty. So I am certainly "informed". It's totally fine not to be a scientist or a doctor but the point of my prior post is only searching out and listening to those saying what you have already decided you believe is the antithesis of science, and there is a whole lot of that going on. For example I tried to look up whatever Italian conference you attended and that thing was so under the wire I couldn't even find it. I'm certain credentialed, in-demand experts respected in their field seek out such obscure venues....sarcasm intended. I've looked up a few of the "experts" referenced here and most appear to be individuals that have washed out of real science, developed a complex, embraced the factions which give them the notoriety they crave, and could no longer get a publication through peer review. So they go around making Youtube videos and speaking at fake conferences for these groups.

Carry on with the memes, I won't be back to this thread.
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Nowhere do you state where you get your info. CNN and the Democrats are at best the least informed so, if that’s where you’re getting your info well…………………….
 
www.thegatewaypundit.com

BOOM! Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Union (SMART) with 203,000 Members Announces Stand Against Forced Vaccines | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

SMART, the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers, is one of North America’s most dynamic and diverse unions with 203,000 members. The union consists of sheet metal workers, service technicians, bus operators, engineers, conductors, sign workers...
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You think all the boats floating around the ports is gumming up the US supply chain wait until transportation unions decide to lay down lots of talk about not hitting it to hard at work. My union brothers are paid to be on call 8 hours a week most all of us stay on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week to keep trains moving. We are all considering signing off call except the 8 hours on Saturday that we are under contract for this isn’t even us striking and we can cripple rail traffic and that’s just one of the unions involved. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. My suggestion is stock up on staples the shortages are probably coming.
 
Some transportation guys over on the ag forum have been saying the same thing.
 
Receding ancient Ice stuffs for anyone that is interested.

www.scientificamerican.com

Melting Ice Reveals a "Lost" Viking-Era Pass in Norway's Mountains

Artifacts show people used the route for 1,000 years—then abandoned it, possibly amid a plague
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

www.atlasobscura.com

Mongolia's Melting Ice Reveals Fragile Prehistoric Artifacts

Researchers scramble to find and study everyday items preserved for millennia and now at risk.
www.atlasobscura.com www.atlasobscura.com

skepticalscience.com

Was Greenland really green in the past?

<p>The Greenland ice sheet has existed for at least 400,000 years. There may have been regions of Greenland that were 'greener' than today but this was not a global phenomenon.</p>
skepticalscience.com
 
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BuckSutherland said:
My wife works at the local hospital and was urged to step up and get the fcking dogshit Pfizer vaccine as soon as it became available. She got her shots EARLY last spring. After receiving the second dose she layed on the bedroom floor in complete misery for several days with severe complications to the vaccine. Now yesterday she really started to feel like shit and went and got a corona test. Yep, she tested positive. She is currently sicker then hell with oxygen levels hovering around 86, severe headache, nausea, chills, aches, vomiting, severe cough, cant stay awake, etc. I have never seen her sicker than today. What a fcking joke this vaccine bullshit is.
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Any updates Buck?

Hopefully your wife is back to normal.
 
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