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Trust the government? wow--now i'm amazed
 
Bowsnbucks said:
If people don't want to get vaccinated - that's on them. But just don't spread and infect those of us who BELIEVE the medical experts from around the world who are about 99% in agreement about how to quell this Covid virus ........... as it manifests itself at this time. No telling how many more times it'll mutate into other variants.
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What good is the vaccine if it makes the vaccinated more vulnerable to the unvaccinated? What good would it do you or anyone else, for me to also get a vaccine that doesn't work and shreds our natural immune function in the process? The hustlers are running dual narratives right now, and it's baffling how much traction they're getting:

1. Everyone sick and hospitalized is unvaccinated. The vaccines work and everyone that took it is safe.

2. The vaccinated need to wear masks again because variants, anti-vaxers, and it's almost booster season.

This is just a stupid PR game to turn the vaccinated on the unvaccinated. I'm perfectly content with my immunity stopping the 'vid in its tracks when it hits my antibodies. I'd be more worried about the breakthrough cases where the virus no longer encounters antibodies, and safely hosts itself and mutates through the vax crowd.
 
No reason to vaccinate for a virus thats over 99% survivable. Personally i wouldnt even vaccinate the elderly. Its no more dangerous than the flu for almost 100% of the population. Only difference is the reporting of it.
 
I don't understand how the vaccinated are concerned. It's like smoking. If you wanna take the chance of dying, knock yourself out. but I don't smoke and therefore, don't have to worry about it. If you're vaccinated and it actually helps, then you're fine. If the vaccine doesn't help, why the samhill should I get it?

Plus, I'm 34 and in the prime of my life. I'm more likely to die using my phone while driving than I am from the covid virus.
 
Bowsnbucks said:
You have me pegged all wrong. I'm not angry. I just look at practicality. If people don't want to get vaccinated - that's on them. But just don't spread and infect those of us who BELIEVE the medical experts from around the world who are about 99% in agreement about how to quell this Covid virus ........... as it manifests itself at this time. No telling how many more times it'll mutate into other variants. The hunting season episode I spoke of in my own camp was set off by one member who was infected STILL CHOOSING to go to camp - because "can't miss hunting season." He infected 2 or 3 other guys there and now they have lung damage. This is JUST ONE example of how one's selfishness can harm others. If the medical community said a vaccination could prevent virus-caused miscarriages in pregnant women - and I came to your town unvaccinated - and many women then had miscarriages of your unborn sons & daughters ................... would you hail me as a "self-determining patriot" ??????? (or a selfish bastard who's the walking picture of an a$$h*le??)

Other people talk of "proof" as to the origins of Covid-19. Some CLAIM they "know" China weaponized it to use against the U.S. Where's THEIR PROOF?? Covid-19 attacked the whole planet - not just the U.S. - and it also affected China. Because of China's past experience with SARS, they quickly began wearing masks when Covid broke out there. And I'm NOT defending China here. We shouldn't have ANY "American" companies there IMO - and never should have.

Incidentally .......... around my region, almost all the people - Republicans, Independents, AND Democrats - have worn masks and gotten vaccinated. The proof of that? I know many of all 3 groups. They believe the experts in the medical community, and have seen the effectiveness of past vaccines for various diseases throughout our country's history. Smallpox, Polio, and other diseases have been wiped out because of vaccines. Measles was controlled for the most part, until recently when "anti-vaxxers" started spreading measles around in schools again. Smart ........... by your standards??

I'm not angry - or hate anyone .................. I'm F***ing AMAZED.
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I don’t understand why you are getting so worked up if you and your loved ones are vaccinated?
You are all “safe” now right? So what’s the problem?

Why does the rest of the country have to believe and live your way?

This is still America for now right?
 
I don’t know about all this but I can tell you:

I’m tired of all these men, who refuse to get a vasectomy, knocking up all these women that got their tubes tied. I mean they did that procedure for a reason. Selfish bastards!
 
This is exactly what they want, everyone to turn on each other and prevent unity amongst Americans. We see everywhere, from BLM to the simplest things like implimenting crossbow season right?
In today's society you are taught that it is acceptable, in some circumstances it is virtuous to shame people and label others for their personal choices if it differs from your personal opinion. The propaganda news networks push ideology like "you must believe the science!" on topics like man made climate change. Yet the same people firmly believe there are 72'ish genders, even though the science says there are only 2, and the only anomaly there, is a very rare occurrence of the XYY folks. That is settled science and has been for some time.
I am fully vaccinated with every other jab I was supposed to have throughout my life, my daughter is fully vaccinated and I didn't hesitate to keep her up to date with any of them. YET every single day I am called an "anti-vaxxer" by uneducated people that just want to slap a label on others that didn't do exactly as they did.
The science isn't settled with the Covid vaccines, sure much of the world has gotten it, it has also killed more people directly after the shot than any other vaccine in history yet it is touted as "safe and effective"? Other vaccines have killed more people from the long term effects historically speaking, but we aren't even into the long term effects of this one yet....
- It isn't as safe as they say...
- The manufacturers of all 3 vaccines have a long history of cheating numbers on data to sell their products, and knowingly selling their products that have defects. Google each one and you will see, very easily found if you actually look instead of just taking CBS's word for it.
- Our Government REFUSES to look at herd immunity as part of the solution, it is get vaccinated or we might come knocking door to door?!? Really? Our Government also made a law that blocks Dr's from using/prescribing any "off label" anti-viral drug. Of course there is no "on label" drug because Covid-19 is Novel allegedly.
- We are the guinea pigs here, we are the experiment, it isn't FDA approved and even that won't matter to me personally because I lack trust knowing the FDA's history.
- There is NO POSSIBLE WAY OF KNOWING the long term side effects, Covid-19 is new and mRNA has never been used before and it interacts totally differently than any other vaccine in history.
- If the vaccine works, why are vaccinated people so out of their mind upset with people that didn't get it? And why are we on the verge of forced masks for everyone and lock downs again?

I could make the statement right now that nobody could prove otherwise because I have looked high and low for a very long time for the data. "Asymptomatic Covid cases are false positive tests and nothing more".
 
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I suppose the men who have been in the news recently in hospital ICU's SAYING WITH THEIR OWN MOUTHS that they "made a terrible mistake" thinking Covid-19 was nothing to fear - are lying?? The 3 men I watched on TV being interviewed ALL said in front of the cameras ......." What would I tell people?? After what I've / we've been through ............ go get the shots." They were still hooked up to oxygen tanks as they were wheeled out. Fakers & liars, right?????

For the poster who said they have lots of doctors who ALL say Covid is made-up and no big deal ................ publicize their names of "ALL THOSE DOCTORS", so the whole medical community can see who they are. The public will then know who to avoid.

I have 2 cousins still on oxygen at home after getting Covid-19 last winter. They can no longer function like "normal" anymore. One of my camp members is on several costly medications to help him breathe now. He gets out of breath walking into camp from his truck - a distance of 40 feet. He has to sit down and rest, gasping for air. He told me "I f**ked-up. I should have gotten the shots." He and a couple other camp members got it this past hunting season while tucked in to camp. His pulmonary specialist says he has permanent lung damage from the Covid, and the doctor showed him his x-rays. They were clouded and "cob-webby-looking" as he told me at camp. He didn't believe Covid was anything to worry about, until it changed his life - and almost ended it.

I know .............. all hoax and made-up lies ................................... right??????

Covid-19 is a BRAND NEW HUMAN VIRUS. Viruses of any kind MUTATE - it's what viruses do - even "common cold" viruses mutate. That's why you can get colds more than once - the viruses have mutated. ( I have a doctor in the family ). As with any NEW disease, new facts are learned about it as time progresses. So new info is put out as those new facts are discovered. No one has ALL the answers from day-1 .......... so the medical community puts out new info as it's learned & proved clinically. Look at cancer, and it's many varieties. New things are discovered about cancer all the time as new research continues. But hey ............. if you get diagnosed with cancer ................. will you turn to Huckster Carlson or one of those other YA-HOOS to get answers for your cancer???????????? Accuse cancer doctors of being Democratic "plants" who have no knowledge of the disease???????????? Maybe turn to T**** .............. who by his own mouth says he knows more about diseases than all the doctors - more about war strategy than all "his" generals ?????????

And BTW .............. the VACCINATED people who have "break-through" cases of Covid from the Delta mutations ............... don't get it bad enough to require being hospitalized ............ or risk dying from it. As the nation's hospitals report - 97% of those now in hospitals ........... or those who have died in the last month ............. ARE UN-VACCINATED people. Some were only in their 30's. A boy of 5 or 6 just recently died of it - and he had NO health problems.

I know ............... the family members who are grieving the loss of their loved ones ............... lost too soon - needlessly ............... are all lying .............................. right?????? Fakers???????? Can't trust those doctors ......... better to listen to Huckster Carlson, or no-common-sense DeSantis. THEY ................. THEY have all the answers for your health care needs. When you get that chest pain & cold sweats ........... DO NOT call your doctor!!!!!!!!! Instead dial 1-800-Huckster Carlson.

My wish for the country is this ............ that ALL the doctor haters, doctor-doubters, Covid-19 "hoaxers", and unvaccinated people ............. ALL crowd together in one state or several that border each other. That way they'll "thin that herd" as they fall ............... AND REFUSE ALL MEDICAL TREATMENT (because you can't trust those doctors). PROVE how "correct" you are .................. refuse the vaccines, get sick, and then refuse ALL MEDICAL TREATMENT. The headstones should read "This person didn't believe the doctors. They thought the disease that killed them was a hoax."

BRAVO.
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If you don’t think there are many in the medical community that are not buying into all this you’d be mistaken. I had a chat today with a ER doc. Who was telling me there’s much talk amongst the medical community right now that COVID 19 is more of a phycological disease rather than a medical one. This is a real doctor, with real doctor friends that spends time with others in the medical field. Seems, the more you fear the disease the worse your outcome is. Something to think about.
 
How many 5 year olds die? They can't be vaxinated anyway . Prove to me that he had no underlying conditions. What was the age of the hunters? Let's who have taken the double mask all people who got jabbed. This week quack F says we don't need too. Watch out for a wind shift.

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Would this be a good place to insert that if this delta variant is the new end of the world why would we be letting in 200k illegals, unvaccinated, and untested per month. If that wasn’t bad enough we then send them all throughout the country. Bows, does your CNN even mention what is going on at the border? I get it, you hate Trump and want anyone that doesn’t agree with you dead but is this what you hoped for with Biden? You do know the vaccine that you think is the solution is only here because of Trump. You know we are still administering the doses he bought before it existed. You mention Carlson, I dare say you haven’t watched 5 minutes of his show. You should be happy that the right wingers aren’t getting vaccinated. This is a great solution for your side, you already wished them dead. You won’t have to steal any more elections if they all die. Side note, if your camp mate showed up knowing he had it then I would hope he is no longer a camp mate. And yes China did create this virus and released it on the world.
 
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Would this be a good place to insert that if this delta variant is the new end of the world why would we be letting in 200k illegals, unvaccinated, and untested per month. If that wasn’t bad enough we then send them all throughout the country. Bows, does your CNN even mention what is going on at the border? I get it, you hate Trump and want anyone that doesn’t agree with you dead but is this what you hoped for with Biden? You do know the vaccine that you think is the solution is only here because of Trump. You know we are still administering the doses he bought before it existed. You mention Carlson, I dare say you haven’t watched 5 minutes of his show. You should be happy that the right wingers aren’t getting vaccinated. This is a great solution for your side, you already wished them dead. You won’t have to steal any more elections if they all die. Side note, if your camp mate showed up knowing he had it then I would hope he is no longer a camp mate. And yes China did create this virus and released it on the world.
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Pushing to create the vaccines is pretty much all i disagreed witb trump on. Never needed and opened up the wormhole.
 
Grinning from ear to ear. Even many Republican politicians are now telling "their" people to get vaccinated. The Republican lady governor of Alabama said " ........... it's time to blame the unvaccinated people for this new spread." Her comments were broadcast on several REAL news stations. (If you think F** is real news, their own corporate lawyers said publicly in a courtroom that F** isn't news, it's opinion and sensationalism. No rational person would think otherwise, and believe it's real accurate news. Their own corporate lawyers said it ON THE RECORD - in court.)

When a bear bites you in the ass, it's tough to deny who's biting you. But hey ............................ LIAR IN CHIEF T**** and Huckster Carlson can convince you the sky's green so ............. by all means ........................ suck down even more of that Kool-Ade. Several very vocal "anti-vaxxers" just died from Covid-19, trusting their immune systems, T****, Huckster Carlson, and others of that ilk. You have every right to kill yourself, your family members, or possibly inflict permanent lung damage & vascular damage to that same group if you choose. I don't want that for anyone ............. but go ahead and roll those dice for your family if you insist.

For those who think Covid -19 is all a Democratic plot / hoax .............. how did the whole world get sick with the pandemic?? Did every other country agree to go along with the "bad old Democrats' " plot / hoax?? How would ANYONE convince BILLIONS of other people worldwide to go along with such a plot?? Billions of people in all corners of the globe ALL said, " Yep - count me in. Even though we have no skin in the game of U.S. politics, we'll ALL help with this plot." - - - - - - - To what end???? What is gained by all those global citizens, if the absurd "plot / hoax" theory were true??? Holy sh*t ......... it seems there's no limit to the absurdity of these conspiracy theories. MTG blames Jewish space lasers for setting the Western wildfires. Another rational thinker, correct??? I'd say there's ample proof that there's no limit to the crazy level.

STILL grinning from ear to ear. Take a few hours and make out your wish list for Santa Claus, too. Have a good day boys.
 
Im still totally confused bt
Bowsnbucks said:
Grinning from ear to ear. Even many Republican politicians are now telling "their" people to get vaccinated. The Republican lady governor of Alabama said " ........... it's time to blame the unvaccinated people for this new spread." Her comments were broadcast on several REAL news stations. (If you think F** is real news, their own corporate lawyers said publicly in a courtroom that F** isn't news, it's opinion and sensationalism. No rational person would think otherwise, and believe it's real accurate news. Their own corporate lawyers said it ON THE RECORD - in court.)

When a bear bites you in the ass, it's tough to deny who's biting you. But hey ............................ LIAR IN CHIEF T**** and Huckster Carlson can convince you the sky's green so ............. by all means ........................ suck down even more of that Kool-Ade. Several very vocal "anti-vaxxers" just died from Covid-19, trusting their immune systems, T****, Huckster Carlson, and others of that ilk. You have every right to kill yourself, your family members, or possibly inflict permanent lung damage & vascular damage to that same group if you choose. I don't want that for anyone ............. but go ahead and roll those dice for your family if you insist.

For those who think Covid -19 is all a Democratic plot / hoax .............. how did the whole world get sick with the pandemic?? Did every other country agree to go along with the "bad old Democrats' " plot / hoax?? How would ANYONE convince BILLIONS of other people worldwide to go along with such a plot?? Billions of people in all corners of the globe ALL said, " Yep - count me in. Even though we have no skin in the game of U.S. politics, we'll ALL help with this plot." - - - - - - - To what end???? What is gained by all those global citizens, if the absurd "plot / hoax" theory were true??? Holy sh*t ......... it seems there's no limit to the absurdity of these conspiracy theories. MTG blames Jewish space lasers for setting the Western wildfires. Another rational thinker, correct??? I'd say there's ample proof that there's no limit to the crazy level.

STILL grinning from ear to ear. Take a few hours and make out your wish list for Santa Claus, too. Have a good day boys.
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You do realize that not every sentence needs to end with 5,000 periods or 73 question marks right? I mean wow .
If you want to live in moms basement ,affraid of coming out because you might catch a cold go for it. Make sure you have 13 masks on at all times and dont miss your booster shots. The adults will live their lives outside and be just fine. I could die in a car crash or choking on my lunch, that won't stop me from driving to work or earing my lunch. Both would be considered 100 times more dangerous than covid.
 
Bowsnbucks said:
You have every right to kill yourself, your family members, or possibly inflict permanent lung damage & vascular damage to that same group if you choose. I don't want that for anyone ............. but go ahead and roll those dice for your family if you insist.
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That's all any of us are asking. Mind your own business and let us handle our business accordingly. As you are obviously doing. If you wanna chain smoke, is anyone here telling you not to? If you wanna eat big macs all day, is anyone here telling you to get an anti-big mac shot? No.

We've counted the cost. We've done the mental accounting, and it takes nothing from you.

Stay in your lane and live your life. Don't live my life for me.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

for the record, I don't know where I'd find Fox News on my TV. I think Donald Trump was an arrogant A Hole who had morals that made Bill Clinton look like a clergyman. But I'm not telling you how to live your life. I'd appreciate the same consideration.

I don't know that there will be long term problems with the vax. i'm just not that worried about it on either side. If you wanna be worked into a lather and fall for all the hype out there. You are welcome to it. I'm not going to waste energy ruining the great life I have to satisfy you or your conception of being safe. You don't need to be my hero. Mind your own business.
 
I love how you say billions of people all being part of the conspiracy. Do you really think the decision makers are holding public meetings and asking us what we think before they put a plan into action?


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And protest are happening all over the world for the way the governments are handling this. So don't act like all the people agree except for the conservatives. Please explain if covid is so deadly, why haven't the Democrats stopped the illegals from crossing the border. Aren't they putting all our lives at risk.
 
I feel that sometimes I will make decisions for myself without someone else telling me what to do.
 
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