Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[Westwind]

Yeah the one place I find fault with this is acting like a third world Muslim hell hole will all the sudden be a free society. If that happens it will be the first one in history. But eliminating their military and nukes, the ends justify the means for me

They have had almost half a century of theocracy. The IRGC is deeply ingrained. Supposedly 30% of 93 million Iranians are hard liners, and that is who has the guns . I agree- Tough environment for change.

 

[Brian662]

 

[jsasker007]

Heard that we are offering to HELP rebuild Iran. I don't remember voting for that.

 

[Brian662]

I know the tired joke is Iran is weeks away from having a nuclear weapon being said for years because that just gets caught in the echo chamber and somehow it becomes reality.

It's true

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[Telemark]

Yeah the one place I find fault with this is acting like a third world Muslim hell hole will all the sudden be a free society. If that happens it will be the first one in history

Very unlikely. More likely is that the pressure can convince the regime to promote some of the more liberal members of the government and push out the more conservative politicians and clerics. I think there is a reason Aref and Pezeshkian havn't been targeted, and I would not be surprised if they take out Arafi if they can.

 

[Telemark]

I know the tired joke is Iran is weeks away from having a nuclear weapon being said for years because that just gets caught in the echo chamber and somehow it becomes reality. But obviously they were aggressively trying. You don’t have multiple underground nuclear sites so a third world radical Islam country can just be on the leading edge of power generation. Get real. And as I said earlier, when Iran gets a weapon, the entire narrative changes.

It annoys the ever loving crap out of me that people say this without understanding it. It's called "breakout capability", and it means that Iran can literally be weeks away from a nuke in perpetuity. Just because they haven't built one doesn't mean they can't. If they have all the components and the knowhow, they can put one together in a matter of weeks. That's why we struck their nuclear facilities before we started the main campaign against the leadership and military.

 

[Maddog66]

Not to get off the ME, but I haven’t been able to get a radio news report out of my head.

I live in WI where I’ve always assumed we at least had a fair / decent education system.

But yesterday I heard that 50% of all adults in this state have a 5th grade reading level.

Can that possibly be true?

If so, the entire teaching profession for the last 40 years should hang their heads in utter shame and be shunned from society as idiot-creators.

 

[homerj]

There's a reason many local newspapers are written at the 5th-6th grade reading level.

 

[Hoytvectrix]

I feel like people who act like we shouldn’t have done this are just whistling past the graveyard or would rather see Muslim domination. I know the tired joke is Iran is weeks away from having a nuclear weapon being said for years because that just gets caught in the echo chamber and somehow it becomes reality. But obviously they were aggressively trying. You don’t have multiple underground nuclear sites so a third world radical Islam country can just be on the leading edge of power generation. Get real. And as I said earlier, when Iran gets a weapon, the entire narrative changes. Now you’re pussyfooting around with a radical religious organization whose entire ethos is destruction of non believers. We should have done this years ago. This isn’t about protecting Israel, there is not some great conspiracy that they control us, that’s literally laughable, it’s about protecting us and they also benefit and have skin in the game.

I'm not so sure this is the case. Israel supposedly had evidence that Iran broke terms of the 2015 JCPOA deal, but when that evidence was turned over to IAEA inspectors and other members of the JCPOA, it turned out to be a nothingburger. Still, it was enough at the time to convince Trump to pull us out of the deal and unilaterally place more sanctions on Iran. By most international (non-US or Israel) accounts, Iran was abiding by the terms of the deal up until that point (which is why so many world leaders were upset that Trump blew it up). Since then, it sounds like Iran was working aggressively to enrich more, but I am not sure I could blame them. Why would they trust us or Europe if the next person elected can change terms of agreements at any moment? Now we have to influence by force because trust is gone.

Taking a step back, just listen to what the Trump admin has been saying since last weekend about the reasons for attacking Iran (a second time). They are all over the place. Why is that? Supposedly their nuclear program was "obliterated" in the June 2025 strikes. Why the need for more wide-spread bombings? Members of the house intelligence committee came out and held a press conference and they acted like they had seen ghosts with one member stating they don't see how this doesn't involve US troops in Iran. The last time we were pretty clearly lied to in order to justify an invasion and drawn out war with Iraq. There was "irrefutable proof" Saddam had WMDs. Yet, after the invasion and occupation we learned he basically just had the same chemical weapons program we already knew about. After the invasion were any lessons learned? Five trillion dollars spent, 4,800 coalition forces killed. Hundreds of thousands of casualties from the coalition side, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's killed. Yet, here we are again. Another "trust us bro" moment with people parroting the same arguments from before. Is it going to be different this time? Lucy is going to hold the football in place, right?

 

[Telemark]

Not to get off the ME, but I haven’t been able to get a radio news report out of my head.

I live in WI where I’ve always assumed we at least had a fair / decent education system.

But yesterday I heard that 50% of all adults in this state have a 5th grade reading level.

Can that possibly be true?

If so, the entire teaching profession for the last 40 years should hang their heads in utter shame and be shunned from society as idiot-creators.

It's policy. The No Child Left Behind Act lowered standards across the country. It was Boehner who introduced it, and Bush Jr. who signed it into law.

Just wait til you see what happens to the medical profession in the US. The new protocols are to basically throw as many prescriptions as you can at patients. I'm praying like hell RFK can fix it soon.

 

[Telemark]

I'm not so sure this is the case. Israel supposedly had evidence that Iran broke terms of the 2015 JCPOA deal, but when that evidence was turned over to IAEA inspectors and other members of the JCPOA, it turned out to be a nothingburger. Still, it was enough at the time to convince Trump to pull us out of the deal and unilaterally place more sanctions on Iran. By most international (non-US or Israel) accounts, Iran was abiding by the terms of the deal up until that point (which is why so many world leaders were upset that Trump blew it up). Since then, it sounds like Iran was working aggressively to enrich more, but I am not sure I could blame them. Why would they trust us or Europe if the next person elected can change terms of agreements at any moment? Now we have to influence by force because trust is gone.

Taking a step back, just listen to what the Trump admin has been saying since last weekend about the reasons for attacking Iran (a second time). They are all over the place. Why is that? Supposedly their nuclear program was "obliterated" in the June 2025 strikes. Why the need for more wide-spread bombings? Members of the house intelligence committee came out and held a press conference and they acted like they had seen ghosts with one member stating they don't see how this doesn't involve US troops in Iran. The last time we were pretty clearly lied to in order to justify an invasion and drawn out war with Iraq. There was "irrefutable proof" Saddam had WMDs. Yet, after the invasion and occupation we learned he basically just had the same chemical weapons program we already knew about. After the invasion were any lessons learned? Five trillion dollars spent, 4,800 coalition forces killed. Hundreds of thousands of casualties from the coalition side, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's killed. Yet, here we are again. Another "trust us bro" moment with people parroting the same arguments from before. Is it going to be different this time? Lucy is going to hold the football in place, right?

I don't know the exact terms of the agreement, but inspectors were not allowed into all the Iranian facilities. Why? Probably because they were working on nuclear weapons. Why were they enriching uranium? Probably to build nuclear weapons.

Where did they get the uranium? Probably Russia. Didn't Hillary broker a deal for uranium ore to be sold to Russia? What did Russia want with uranium ore? Probably to sell it to Iran. Also probably why Iran has been depleting their defense capabilities by selling drones to Russia.

I don't have proof of this, but if anyone does, it's probably the Israelis.

Also, Trump is always all over the place with what he says. Pay attention to what he does. It doesn't make sense to telegraph your moves and motives to the enemy.

 

[Westwind]

Mike Baker and his Presidents Daily Brief is the best 20 minutes you can spend if you want a better understanding of this stuff. Today was really good.

-Failure of Chinese air defense batteries protecting The Supreme Leader.
-Lebanon taking steps to ban Hezbollah and detaining IRGC members in the country
-Ukraine has been dealing with Shahed drones for four years. They are assisting us with how to better defend against them

I love it in the truck or tractor to help pass the time.

 

[Westwind]

I don't know the exact terms of the agreement, but inspectors were not allowed into all the Iranian facilities. Why? Probably because they were working on nuclear weapons. Why were they enriching uranium? Probably to build nuclear weapons.

Where did they get the uranium? Probably Russia. Didn't Hillary broker a deal for uranium ore to be sold to Russia? What did Russia want with uranium ore? Probably to sell it to Iran. Also probably why Iran has been depleting their defense capabilities by selling drones to Russia.

I don't have proof of this, but if anyone does, it's probably the Israelis.

Also, Trump is always all over the place with what he says. Pay attention to what he does. It doesn't make sense to telegraph your moves and motives to the enemy.

Yes. This is all examined in detail on the netflix series “The Bomb and The Cold War”. Highly recommend.

Was during the reset of relations that Hillary screwed up. Putin hates Hillary more than we do, that is actually why they were messing around with Wikileaks and election stuff. Also- the nukes that we extracted from Ukraine had enough material to power our civilian nuke plants in the U.S. for ten years.

GREAT series on all that on “The Rest Is Classified” which took an unflinching look at those crazy, crazy days.

 

[jsasker007]

Believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see.

 

[Brian662]

Not to get off the ME, but I haven’t been able to get a radio news report out of my head.

I live in WI where I’ve always assumed we at least had a fair / decent education system.

But yesterday I heard that 50% of all adults in this state have a 5th grade reading level.

Can that possibly be true?

If so, the entire teaching profession for the last 40 years should hang their heads in utter shame and be shunned from society as idiot-creators.

Teachers don't create idiots, the people fornicating do.

 

[Westwind]

I prefer double sourced reports to the gossip that passes for news these days. Always correct? Of course not. But as time passes and more info becomes available we get closer to the truth.

 

[Maddog66]

I still believe that pallets of AK’s and ammo air dropped in civilian areas is the answer. The 2A shall set you free…..and let us know when it’s over.

 

[Brian662]

Reason #10 million on why Russia is a problem.

 

[Telemark]

Mike Baker and his Presidents Daily Brief is the best 20 minutes you can spend if you want a better understanding of this stuff. Today was really good.

-Failure of Chinese air defense batteries protecting The Supreme Leader.
-Lebanon taking steps to ban Hezbollah and detaining IRGC members in the country
-Ukraine has been dealing with Shahed drones for four years. They are assisting us with how to better defend against them

I love it in the truck or tractor to help pass the time.

Where do you find that? Is it on youtube?

 

[Telemark]

Yes. This is all examined in detail on the netflix series “The Bomb and The Cold War”. Highly recommend.

Was during the reset of relations that Hillary screwed up. Putin hates Hillary more than we do, that is actually why they were messing around with Wikileaks and election stuff. Also- the nukes that we extracted from Ukraine had enough material to power our civilian nuke plants in the U.S. for ten years.

GREAT series on all that on “The Rest Is Classified” which took an unflinching look at those crazy, crazy days.

Thanks. I'll check it out.