Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[Wind Gypsy]

I think lots of people are looking for different deliverables and the implications of each is different. What are we talking about being leaked?

A list of people who did business with Epstein? Went to the Island? To his place in FL? Place in NY? People confirmed to have done dirty with Epstein controlled minors? Or all of the files indicating what Epstein was up to with paper trails?

 

[Mortenson]

Proof that Trump did illegal and incomprehensible things. I mean is there a chance he could've just hired an adult hooker or two from Ep? Creepy but not illegal? Show of hands - how many here believe he wired money to Ep 5,000 times totaling 1.1 billion dollars? I don't.

By the time you're a federal politician you're pretty far up the suck factor. They mostly all suck and are bought. It's a giant uniparty. I'm still voting for the R every time.

 

[Westwind]

"It's complicated"

These clever bastards compromised bad people. These clever bastards compromised people who may have never done anything really wrong prior but didn't have the morals or guts to do the right thing. These clever bastards probably compromised good or mostly good people who did nothing wrong.

Who, what, where, why, when. Important nuance that won't matter even if your name shows up one time.

NBC News said months ago that they had interviewed every Epstein victim they could and read tens of thousands of transcripts and no one accused Trump of wrongdoing. It's complicated.

 

[T-Max]

And if there is proof of Trump's guilt in the files somewhere, explain why Democrats didn't leak that proof.

And if there is proof of Trump's innocence in the files somewhere, explain why Republicans didn't release that proof.

Modified slightly to show both sides of course.

 

[Mortenson]

Innocent til proven guilty. Life isn't a tabloid. Or it shouldn't be.

 

[H20fwler]

Why wasn't it leaked though? Only takes 1 person. Shouldn't even hackers have been all over it?

Thats a good point. Maybe nothing about Trump to leak but wishful thinking by the haters.

There are still a few on this sight that still believe in the Jan 6 hoax…so no matter what facts come out they will never be happy as long as Trump is on this earth.

 

[Catscratch]

Conspiracy theory... If Trump is in the Epstein files and not leaked during biden's term, it was because to leak Trump's guilt would have revealed Slick Willy's guilt. The Clintons can't have that.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Epstein had pictures of Bill Clinton in Monica Lewinski's dress and Bush with Paper airplanes in front of the towers in his $70 million apartment.

There's theories about Lewinski being a blackmail op honey pot.
I'm convinced 9/11 was at least partially a false flag intended to to push US into military actions in the middle east.
Why do you suppose Epstein would have such things in his apt? It's a demonstration of control.

 

[Hoytvectrix]

"Trump isn't in the Epstein files."

"Ok, he is in there, but so are a lot of really wealthy and influential people. It doesn't mean he did anything illegal."

"Trump didn't know what Epstein was doing."

"Ok, Trump apparently knew, but he never used Epstein to sleep with women."

"Trump only used Epstein for trafficking adult women for Trump to spend hours with."

(This is where we are at right now)

Next it's going to be:
"Just because Trump met with underage girls doesn't mean he slept with them."

"It is just circumstantial or fabricated evidence. We need video proof he was sleeping with underage girls."

Would that even be enough for people to turn on him? Considering people are willing to disregard his apparent meetings with trafficked women for hours - just because of Trump's political leanings, should be a wake up call. Tribalism is a hellofa drug.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Just gotta say, what a wild time to be alive!

All of the hidden inner workings of the world are going to be increasingly hard to contain. At least at one point lots of us had the mistaken confidence in knowing the truth because there wasn't unlimited channels to debunk or fake debunk stuff. All of the human faults and ugliness of people and the world are going to near impossible to hide. Feels like we're headed for utter chaos.

 

[Telemark]

I'm convinced 9/11 was at least partially intended to be a false flag to push US into military actions in the middle east.

Partially. The Israelis probably knew about it and neglected to tell US intelligence. The ensuing mayhem in the region nearly led to a peace deal with the Saudis.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

"Trump isn't in the Epstein files."

"Ok, he is in there, but so are a lot of really wealthy and influential people. It doesn't mean he did anything illegal."

"Trump didn't know what Epstein was doing."

"Ok, Trump apparently knew, but he never used Epstein to sleep with women."

"Trump only used Epstein for trafficking adult women for Trump to spend hours with."

(This is where we are at right now)

Next it's going to be:
"Just because Trump met with underage girls doesn't mean he slept with them."

"It is just circumstantial or fabricated evidence. We need video proof he was sleeping with underage girls."

Would that even be enough for people to turn on him? Considering people are willing to disregard his apparent meetings with trafficked women for hours - just because of Trump's political leanings, should be a wake up call. Tribalism is a hellofa drug.

Trump could have been Epsteins right hand man or done any other amount of heinous things and there will still be the line of logic that he's better than Kamala. Further, part of me would agree with that but it doesn't mean we should put our head in the sand about Trump's low spots.

This world of Tribal left vs right thing is a hell of a distraction to the the fact that our system is broken and they will both F us to serve their masters.

 

[jsasker007]

Haters are gonna hate. No matter what evidence or lack of evidence is provided. Some people would like actual facts/REAL EVIDENCE vs what someone on the internet heard from someone's cousin who thought they may have overheard something at the water fountain. Assuming does nothing but create more misleading conversation. My opinion that has absolutely no value(probably because of tariffs) is that the people will never get ALL of the facts to make an ironclad case either way. It's been years since the existing laws have been enforced towards anyone in government. There have been a few sacrificial lambs thrown out to try and satisfy the people's demand for truth and justice but in reality we're all being played for fools and that's not gonna change. Waste of time thinking that our government is anything besides corrupt,misleading,selfish and evil bastards. JMHO

 

[Brian662]