Building the forever house what am I missing?

Long story. Here goes..... It's an American dream really.

I started a small reloading products enterprise out of my basement.....back about 1989. I was a varmint hunter and guns and reloading was my passion, and a primary hobby to me. While I traveled allot working for an aluminum company......I spent my evenings reading everything I could about my passion. I was really into shooting prairie dogs. I learned that seating the bullets out near the rifling made superior accuracy....yet nobody made a good product to do so. I spent a winter developing a product to do this. Cut and try...cut and try. Viola....I had one that worked....very good. It was a really good product for it's purpose. Limited market....but the best at what it does. I lived on Stoney Point Road and used to fish on Stoney Point.....and killed my first elk on Stoney Point. Therefore I called the new business Stoney Point Products, Inc. It seemed lucky.....and I liked the name - all instinct.

I didn't have much money, and didn't want to lose what I had....so I decided I would not go out on a limb with borrowed money. Started on a shoe string with less than $10,000 seed money.....and paid myself back within a year....while I held my job selling aluminum....and developing good aluminum product for my customers (my best teachers). Sold stuff the best way I knew how. Made money.....grow, grow, spend a nickel...pay myself back....grow some more. Add some products. Bore Guides, and Bullet Comparators.....and a few lesser things.

Went to Camp Perry and got a feel that my product was "good". Developed a bit more and made bigger plans. Got a good reloading distributor to sell my stuff....incremental growth....but rolling on. Got to the Shot Show in 1990.....and had a couple of reloading products to offer. Sold the spit out of 'em at the show (walked out with many thousands of sales)....and quit my job on the way home from that show. I thought my wife would choke me. During that show I sold products to the likes of Jim Carmichal and others from the press. I didnt know them from Adam.....or, I would have given them product. It just FELT "right" for me to take the plunge. And I did.

I sent out press kits and wrote news releases.....and all of a sudden I was a household name - with AVID reloaders. Still no huge sales.....but I could pay the bills and had enough resources to develop new products. Now what?

I had read every book written on shooting and long range hunting, etc.....and I killed my first elk off a pair of rudimentary "shooting sticks" I had thrown together. Shooting sticks were not offered in any catalog....and when I offered them to the market.....most folks sneered at me. They had some pre-conceived ideas about these being less than a rifleman's product. "Americans should be able to stand on their own and hit a target.....it's the American way"......or some such nonsense The thing is.....they worked! And they work today.

So I spent a few years developing ever better and better products and gaining space in the catalogs.....not really knowing where I was going.....or smart enough to "brand" my products. I didn't sell my TM products as Steady STix, or PoleCat, and such.......I WAS BUSY SELLING THE CONCEPT. DUH! Later I discovered that to succeed.....I needed to brand myself. And when I did.....my product sales grew dramatically.

Somehow I survived my stupidity and got on the right track soon enough to retain a large portion of the market......just as the masses decided it was time to enter. Competition everywhere.....and more copies of my stuff than you could shake a stick at. I had too few of the "right people" in place to grow the company as it needed to grow.....so when I was given a great offer to sell.......I took it......and rode off into retirement.

Never real sure if I could have kept the wheels on as I grew the company??......but I am well-satified in knowing I did the best I could while I owned the company and I enjoyed every minute. My employees enjoyed working for the enterprise too....and to this day many are my good friends.

Some of my brands have been severely diminished in time....but a few live on. Hornady has done a nice job with preserving the integrity of the reloading products. A few other really good products (including my "shooting sticks") have been sent overseas....and in the process were cast into oblivion.

So it goes. :eek: I got paid.....and I had a wonderful experience with a few good people. I was able to retire nicely at an early age.....and I am forever grateful that I took the "plunge" and started this business.

Although.....gotta say.....this business got me into several law suits costing me hundreds of thousands of dollars.....got me so burned out....that at a few times I could hardly face another human being or walk out the door each morning......and I risked my entire financial future on this endeavor.....more than a few times. It would have buried many folks, I know. So.....just saying....it was not always a bed of roses.....and it's not for everyone.

To answer your question: I founded Stoney Point Products. Brand names included Steady Stix, Pole-Cat and a few more. Had 25, or so, shooting and hunting related patents / trademarks.......and still have a creative mind....or, what's left of it. :D

Sorry for the long dissertation. :D

Holy crap foggy, you have as much money as Bill gates and you still talk to us peons! LOL
Great story Tom! It is the American dream if you want to work for it....and you did! Congrats!
 
Cool story, Foggy !!!

I agree with SD about the outdoor wood burning furnace - If you make your own firewood, it can be a big $$$ saver. If you have to buy your wood - not so much. Everyone I know that has an outdoor wood burner cuts his own wood. There are systems out there to heat water for baseboard heat or force the air into the house. Just as an example ( of savings ) - I have a woodstove insert in our lower level fireplace that heats the whole house. I have access to a huge supply of hardwood at my camp. The state land near camp has firewood permits for $15 - for more than 25 years it was $10. I would be at camp for hunting, habitat work, etc. - so why not cut firewood while there ?? I make no " extra " trips to camp, and each time I return home, I'd bring a big load of wood back with me. Bottom line - over the 29 years we've lived in our home - using conservative utility company usage figures for heat - we've saved over $44,000 since we've lived here. And my sons and I love to make firewood. Good healthy work - outdoors in the woods !!

Any way you can save on future utility bills while building your forever house will help you pay off the house quicker, retire with a fatter wallet, etc. Put the " future $$$ savers " into the build.
 
Long story. Here goes..... It's an American dream really.

Sorry for the long dissertation. :D

Pfft, the American Dream is dead.

I love that story. We've compared notes a bit in the past. If I ever get to MN or AZ we're having a beer.

1992 my 2 brothers and I started an Internet service company. AOL was a toll call in our area and people were running up the phone bill. 3 of us kicked in 5K a piece and it started in my house. Worked all day then came home to return calls and offer tech support. This was in the days when people caught a mouse with a trap, they had no idea how to navigate a computer with one. We paid ourselves back plus some in the first year.

2 years later we had 4000 customers paying $15/month and got an offer from a bigger provider to sell. I was in my late 20's and looking at over a $1 mil payout.

Made the mistake of accepting their stock as payment. SEC rules mandated that one hold stock in a transaction like this for 12 months.
When I took their stock it was $28 a share. When I dumped it a year later it was 50 cents a share.

Needless to say when I came home a few years later with papers from the bank for my wife to sign offering everything we owned as collateral she was scared.

Someone intended my first mistake, because when buyers showed up the second time in my life, it was cash only from the first conversation.

I hear you on becoming a cynic. Got sued once by a woman for sexual discrimination when we fired her for chasing her supervisor around the shop with a screwdriver.

Got lots of stories I'll never intentionally sign myself up for again.

Sorry for the thread jack Jordan.
 
Pfft, the American Dream is dead.

I love that story. We've compared notes a bit in the past. If I ever get to MN or AZ we're having a beer.

1992 my 2 brothers and I started an Internet service company. AOL was a toll call in our area and people were running up the phone bill. 3 of us kicked in 5K a piece and it started in my house. Worked all day then came home to return calls and offer tech support. This was in the days when people caught a mouse with a trap, they had no idea how to navigate a computer with one. We paid ourselves back plus some in the first year.

2 years later we had 4000 customers paying $15/month and got an offer from a bigger provider to sell. I was in my late 20's and looking at over a $1 mil payout.

Made the mistake of accepting their stock as payment. SEC rules mandated that one hold stock in a transaction like this for 12 months.
When I took their stock it was $28 a share. When I dumped it a year later it was 50 cents a share.

Needless to say when I came home a few years later with papers from the bank for my wife to sign offering everything we owned as collateral she was scared.

Someone intended my first mistake, because when buyers showed up the second time in my life, it was cash only from the first conversation.

I hear you on becoming a cynic. Got sued once by a woman for sexual discrimination when we fired her for chasing her supervisor around the shop with a screwdriver.

Got lots of stories I'll never intentionally sign myself up for again.

Sorry for the thread jack Jordan.

I think my buddy married her! He tells me he may wake up some morning with a screwdriver stuck in his side!:eek: How would a guy like to come home to that every night!

Cool story as well Bill!
 
No apology nesisary Bill
This is my idea of a good discussion. Interesting stuff.
I bet you were ready to choke somone when that stock tankD. Holy smokes
 
+1 on the outlets/cable everywhere, and a big garage is a must.
One thing I love about our house (we didn't build it) is zone heating and cooling. Really nice to leave the house open in the summer when it's just us and hot, then be able to use the air conditioning in JUST our room at night. Company comes, or it gets too hot we can turn the whole house on.
Love our travertine floors (sp?) In our mud room and basement. The rest of the house has wood, but these areas get a lot of dog/kid traffic as well as beach sand that dulls the wood finish that we have in the rest of the house.
 
I love the story where the little guy wins!

To be honest I for one don't have the balls to go into business for myself. I'm not that much of a risk taker, never was, never will be. I don't like to gamble with things I can't afford to loose (grew up with that drilled into my head). I'll continue to be a tool of the corporate machine and follow the other sheep.

I never knew we had as many business savvy folks on here as we do.
 
^ Ouch Bill! That had to hurt watching that stock tank. :( I got paid by wire transfer - USD - day of sale. Now I just watch our dollar "tank". o_O
 
I hasn't "tanked" against the Canadian dollar, I can assure you of that! SOB exchange rate is costing us major jobs north of the border right now :mad: and the folks we supply to are not happy that we cannot compete at the moment due the Canuk dollar being worth about 1/3 less than the US dollar.
 
^ Yep....my analogy of the dollar is probably not real sound. Still....the purchasing power of ANY currency is not what it was. Many foreign made goods remain low cost. Reports will claim there is little inflation....but the cost of living sure has gone up for essentials. ......and the cost of eating out has skyrocketed.

The world is upside down from a few decades back. I continue trying to get a handle on this crazy economic environment. Not much is certain these days....but uncertainty. :rolleyes:
 
With the dollar artificially depressed it makes our goods available for sale around the world. High dollar and we sell nothing. Bad situation right now, no matter how anyone looks at it!
 
Some people win - the top 1% and the currency manipulators. How slanted ARE things when on Wall St., to the many traders and brokers, a $100,000 bonus is a BAD YEAR ??? Not salary .......... Bonus !!! They shift data, other people's dollars ( including the $$$ in our retirement accounts !! ), make gambles on futures of everything from the price of oil to the price of hogs, lie, cheat, BS and deceive and produce NOTHING ............ and get paid like they were saving people's lives and curing cancer !!!

BTW - this is the published view of one of the most influential financial titans in the U.S. And he knows it from the INSIDE !!! He spills the beans on the crap that happens in his own industry .... and his fellow financial " professionals " hate him for it !!! Sorry for the side-track.
 
No apology nesisary Bill
This is my idea of a good discussion. Interesting stuff.
I bet you were ready to choke somone when that stock tankD. Holy smokes

No one to choke but myself. I agreed to it.
Blinded by the dot com bubble like everyone else back then. Thankfully I didn't spend any of it before I could cash in. It could have ended very badly if I went on a spending spree.

^ Ouch Bill! That had to hurt watching that stock tank. :( I got paid by wire transfer - USD - day of sale. Now I just watch our dollar "tank". o_O

It was gut wrenching at the time to be so young and watch my sealed retirement program evaporate. It was a very expensive lesson. Cash is king and when you have it, never rely on one single investment.
 
^ Not sure how old you are Bill.....but that had to be a hard lesson to learn at an early age. Seems if you take some risks your gonna get bamboozled more often than not. I know I got "body slammed" more than a few times......sucker punched by the economy......hoodwinked by some scumb......had the rug pulled out from under me by others......and abused by still more. Gotta learn to stay on guard for these shysters.....or look for what could go wrong....I guess. o_O Problem is.....you learn to be a cynic and distrustful of the "deal". Now.....I'm always looking for the "flies" on the deal.....I sit with my back to the wall....and keep checking the "exits". grin

My advice to young guys.....when this ^ happens.......pick yourself up.....dust yourself off......learn from it......and try it again. ;)
 
Foggy - Your words .... " you learn to be a cynic ...... " are spot-on true !!! Sometimes people ask me why I'm so suspicious of everything. I tell 'em ......." because I've been around for 50+ years and I've kept my eyes open. I see what goes on and the frequency of that kind of sh. " And it seems to happen in all aspects of life - not just investments. I have to stop myself - I could write a column on some of the things I've seen !!!:eek: :mad:
 
Always expect the worst from people. You will either be prepared when things go bad or you will be pleasantly surprised when you are dealing with a "good" people.



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Not all things are intentional and like what happen to Bill (Dot-Com Crash) things not completely in your control do happen.

I have made a good amount of money in the market and via some tuff lessons (like the Dot Com crash and a venture capital loss) learned and over time have made some very good money. I do agree the markets have changed significantly from what they were 20 years ago.

The venture capital lesson really hurt at the time, almost $200k lesson. Great technology (Green epoxy resin), great engineering (I knew some of them) but few products. In the end cash flow and recapitalization killed them. Lack of liquidity (pulled off the public exchange and went to over the counter) made it so I could not save my investment. Tuff lesson but I learned from it.

Learning how to grow and keep wealth is a very important skill in life, many people miss the lessons or don’t have the internal fortitude to make it happen. For most people, prosperity comes from a long term economic effort.
 
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Yep! I always assume everyone is an A-Hole until they prove they are not!
 
^ Not sure how old you are Bill.....but that had to be a hard lesson to learn at an early age.

My advice to young guys.....when this ^ happens.......pick yourself up.....dust yourself off......learn from it......and try it again. ;)

I'm 50 so young I guess for where I am.
Yep I agree with becoming a cynic too. Maybe that just happens in life.

If I wasn't so outgoing in my youth I doubt I would have had near the successes I've enjoyed. Now a days you could sit next to me on a plane for 5 hours and I'm happy if you just keep your trap shut. I see it this way, marketing a product requires kissing butt. Sometimes that of people you loath. Sometimes they screw you, sometimes they're great people.

I did what I had to too get where I am. Now that I'm here, I not kissing up to any more Aholes.

Dear God, I'm turning into MO, just give me a few more years.
 
^ Funny Stuff. THE largest outdoor chain used to be my best customer. They sold the spit outta one of my products. I had a patent on it. Then one day they decided to have one of my products made in Asia......so they could "private label" the item and call it there own. Dead nuts copy of my stuff.

Had a meeting......and I asked them why I should not sue them. Answer?: Because we will withdraw our other products we buy from you and quit doing biz. Remedy: They SAID they would quit importing the copy-cat products if I let them go......and would then just buy from me.

Did they? Noooooo They had to offer both my product and theirs........and refused to remove theirs from the catalog. How do you sue the company that is 50% of your annual biz? Cut off your nose to spite your face??

I hope they can live with themselves. I got no time for the busturds......or their "house brands". Same goes for the second largest......same kinda treatment. There is no honor in business with these kinda companies any longer. Was a time there was.......not now.

If I went into this kinda business today......I would direct sell things via the web.....and these guys would suck air. They will leave you for a dime........and expect the world in return. Dumb bunnies.
 
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