Brassicas too thick?

roymunson

5 year old buck +
Planted a field last tuesday with a no till. good news is I've got things sprouting and it looks great, but bad news is, I may have got a little heavy handed with them in some spots.

Do you guys do anything to thin them out? or should I just let it ride and get what I can? I'm learning on my no till and while it's great and I'm pumped with how they're growing, I know when bulbs come around, they'll be a little tight.
 
In my area deer will thin them out.
 
What did you plant? All types of turnips or is there rape in there to? If it is a mix of rape and turnips your deer should really thin out the rape giving more room for turnips. If it is a variety of turnips, my guess is you are just going to end up with some smaller bulbs. But, in my experience the amount of fertilizer you put down and when has every bit as much to with production as seed rate.

How many pounds did you try to plant per acre?

And, to answer you question, don’t try to thin them you will end up with a mess.


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PTT was the brassica of choice. I planted them along with some driller radishes and triticale.

I planned on 10# per acre, but did the math and only planted them at 1/2 rate due to the other quantities of radishes and triticale I put in.

I'll hit them with some nitrogen ahead of a rain. But was impressed that they're up already. Should I fertilize them now? Or should I wait til they're up a bit?

I don't really have the time to thin things out, but didn't wanna pay for it later if I could help them now.

Part of the learning curve with this high end no till is its hard to trust that the seed is getting into the ground like it should be. Still working up my own "cheat sheet" for our planting rates. I know you think you have it straight, but then at the end you have some seed left and its tempting to go make a couple laps in front of where your stand is gonna be.
 
Planted a field last tuesday with a no till. good news is I've got things sprouting and it looks great, but bad news is, I may have got a little heavy handed with them in some spots.

Do you guys do anything to thin them out? or should I just let it ride and get what I can? I'm learning on my no till and while it's great and I'm pumped with how they're growing, I know when bulbs come around, they'll be a little tight.

That is one reason I don't drill them. They surface broadcast so easily and do better overall in a mix. I won't plant PTT at more than 5 lbs/ac and drop it to 2 lbs/ac in a mix. We tend to error on the "more is better side" which is not often true. Even with fertilizer, there are only so many resources to go around. Mixing crops means everybody is not after the exact same resources. Fewer plants per sqft doesn't necessarily mean less for deer.

You may have a better drill than I do. I do like the seed metering system on my Kasco because it will plant about anything, but you do have to calibrate it each time. Slight adjustments in settings can make a big different in seed output. So, I set it, calibrate it, reset it as needed to get my rate, recheck the output, then go plant and don't touch the settings.

I started by keeping a cheat sheet of settings for each crop/mix each year but found that when I set it at the "same setting" next season, it would put out a different amount of seed.

When I first got the no-till drill, I wanted to use it for everything. In time, I found out that just doesn't make sense for me. I'm better off surface broadcasting and cultipacking my fall mixes with seed that germinate well when surface broadcast and saving the drill for more traditional row crops like beans and corn in the spring. Before I got an independent cultipacker, I would sometimes use the drill in the fall for my mix with PTT in it. The trick that worked the best for me was to disconnect the seed tubes from the planting shoes. They would just bounce around and drops the seed on the surface anywhere and the cultipacker on the drill would press it in. (you may have individual closers on your drill rather than a cultipacker, so this may not work for you). That worked fine and the mix looked more like it was broadcast than drilled. When you drill, all the seeds are in rows. This works well for row crops but not as well for my mixes.

Sorry, I don't have any good thoughts on thinning. Maybe a cultivator run perpendicular to the rows?

Thanks,

Jack
 
Jack,

My only rebuttal to the "broadcasting brassicas" is if I don't trust my GP drill with metering, I sure as heck don't trust myself with an earthway bag and walking around a plot. I get that, but I also know I have a hard time metering myself.

I'll back off the rates in the future. Id rather have fewer, healthier plants, than lots of small stunted stuff.

drill is a GP 3P606NT
 
I spread via a bag and set it extremely light and spread the plot twice, going both directions. Easier to get the right rate on doing it that way. For guys working lots of acres, probably not as feasible. I've done it on 4 acres so far this month.
 
PTT is normally 3-6 lbs/acre stand alone, and 1-3 lbs/acre in a mix with other stuff.
 
Then I probably roughly double seeded. I think I had 5#/acre or so. Hopefully they'll get cleaned up a bit.
 
Then I probably roughly double seeded. I think I had 5#/acre or so. Hopefully they'll get cleaned up a bit.

You still should see good green tops, just stunted bulb growth. When the turnip bulbs are small, I watch deer pull the entire plant out to eat.
 
Jack,

My only rebuttal to the "broadcasting brassicas" is if I don't trust my GP drill with metering, I sure as heck don't trust myself with an earthway bag and walking around a plot. I get that, but I also know I have a hard time metering myself.

I'll back off the rates in the future. Id rather have fewer, healthier plants, than lots of small stunted stuff.

drill is a GP 3P606NT

There is a difference. You only get one shot with a seed drill. You get many with a broadcast spreader. I certainly understand not wanting to walk with a chest-mount spreader if you are doing significant acreage and that is reason enough to want to use the drill. When I broadcast spread, especially something like PTT with fine seed, I always set it too low and make multiple passes. I man up and use my chest-mount solo if I'm split seeding (brassica/CC in early Aug and WR in early Sep). If I split the time instead and plant them together in mid-Aug, I use the 3-pt broadcast spreader as the WR acts as a carrier for the small seed.

I make the first even pass across the field broadcasting. I then see if I've used half my seed. If not, I make a second even pass. After that I zig-zag randomly. With this approach, there will be some square feet that are heavier than others, but not by much and the square yards will be plenty close. The only place I find crowding is if I stop and seed trickles out in one spot. I personally like mixes both from a deer and soil perspective and the ones I use are easy to plant. Some guys prefer rotating strips of monoculture to accomplish something similar.

By the way, your GP may be much more consistent than my kasco.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Jack,

My only rebuttal to the "broadcasting brassicas" is if I don't trust my GP drill with metering, I sure as heck don't trust myself with an earthway bag and walking around a plot. I get that, but I also know I have a hard time metering myself.

I'll back off the rates in the future. Id rather have fewer, healthier plants, than lots of small stunted stuff.

drill is a GP 3P606NT

How many HP is your tractor?

How was the "learning curve" with the drill?

thanks,

bill
 
jd 5603. I believe its right around 100 hp

The drill performed perfectly. I had to do some trial and error with my rates due to mixed seed and no specific rate chart for some of the food plot seed (turnips, radishes, etc) But i have 2" tall oats after 8 days and rain coming this weekend. Here's hoping!
 
Run a disk through them tomorrow. 1 pass.

just my humble opinion. I’ve never done well with brassicas seeded heavy.
 
I can get on board with that. Do a light disking and let us know how it turns out. I also can attest to a heavy stand of PTT not amounting to a hill of beans.
 
Jack,

My only rebuttal to the "broadcasting brassicas" is if I don't trust my GP drill with metering, I sure as heck don't trust myself with an earthway bag and walking around a plot. I get that, but I also know I have a hard time metering myself.

I'll back off the rates in the future. Id rather have fewer, healthier plants, than lots of small stunted stuff.

drill is a GP 3P606NT

Drill them with mine, no problem. I think you just planned a little heavy, I do 2 or 3# with radish.
 
Get one of these and a cheap electric blower. It costs more than a cup seeder, but it's the difference between tonnage and 3" brassica carpet.

https://extremeblowerproducts.com/
 

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