RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
Quick question how do you mix Cleth/Imox I have a 50 Gallon Boom Sprayer on the back of a John Deer side by side. It is calibrated to spray at 20 gallons per acre. Just both to full strength per the labels?
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omicron1792
5 year old buck +
No chicory.
15oz imox
30oz cleth
Will spray 2.5 acres.
If you have chicory change rates to
10ox imox
40oz cleth
Still 2.5 acres.
Add about a gallon of ams before adding chemicals, and add 16-20oz of nis at the end.
RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
Thanks! This is a 50 gallon mix I assume, newbie question what are AMS and NIC crop oil or similar?
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
Yes. Based on info you gave.
AMS softens water and causes weeds to soak in herbicide. Google AMS supreme or nitro surf. Rural king and tractor supply sells.
Non ionic surfactant and crop oil are sticking agents and work similarly.
For 20 gallon/1 acre mix would be 6 imox/12 cleth for no chicory and 4 imox/16 cleth with chicory.
AMS softens water and causes weeds to soak in herbicide. Google AMS supreme or nitro surf. Rural king and tractor supply sells.
Non ionic surfactant and crop oil are sticking agents and work similarly.
For 20 gallon/1 acre mix would be 6 imox/12 cleth for no chicory and 4 imox/16 cleth with chicory.
birdog
5 year old buck +
I'm curious why you add cleth to the Imox. Is it to help the Imox knock the grass down a little better? Or have i completely misunderstood the purpose of Imox, which I love by the way if used early in the year. I'm still learning so it's much appreciated when you experienced guys jump in to help us.
birdog
5 year old buck +
Bill are you recommending 32oz of cleth per acre when used by itself? That may explain why my grass kill is spotty sometimes. I mix at 16oz per acre.
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
That’s a good question.
Imox is a broadleaf herbicide with some grass activity. You would never use it just for grass control by itself, unless targeting a specific grass without hurting others.
Preplant you would use gly plus imox, relying on gly for burndown and imox for residual control
Cleth is cheap and easy and in my mind why not add and get double coverage of your hard grass weeds?
In south with long growing seasons you can also use pursuit/thunder with cleth at same rates. It lasts 4 months, where imox is more like 2. I’m gonna alternate usage yearly
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
Def 16oz/acre max.
birdog
5 year old buck +
I think it's a great idea!
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
Oh no worries! Sorry if direct on my answer! I have learned way more here than any advice I have given!
birdog
5 year old buck +
Bill
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Just reread the label. Maybe I have been mixing it a bit hot
birdog
5 year old buck +
Bill I bet your kill rate was outstanding!Just reread the label. Maybe I have been mixing it a bit hot
RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
Mid Summer Update, we have had a couple of rains and while the plot is far from great it has some good areas, at least some growing clover in most areas and only a few bare spots. Chicory seems to be doing very well some large chicory plants. The Cleth spray I did a few weeks back was pretty successful. Some grass survived but a large majority of it was terminated. Weeds are still pretty prevalent throughout the plot but I am trying not to worry to much about those this fall.
I am ramping up for my fall work on it, I have 4lbs of Ladino and 4lbs of Alsike Clover as well as 2 lbs of chicory from the local seed mill. I will be overseeding the thin and bare spots in early august along with about 60lbs of WR per acre over the entire 2.5 acres. At that point I am done for the year. With @omicron1792 's advice I am going to terminate the rye and hopefully some weeds with a hopefully well timed spraying of Imox/Cleth in the spring and complete summer mowing maintenance. I would like to thank you all for your assistance I have learned a lot from this group already and lookforward to learnig more and hopefully paying it forward at some point.
I am ramping up for my fall work on it, I have 4lbs of Ladino and 4lbs of Alsike Clover as well as 2 lbs of chicory from the local seed mill. I will be overseeding the thin and bare spots in early august along with about 60lbs of WR per acre over the entire 2.5 acres. At that point I am done for the year. With @omicron1792 's advice I am going to terminate the rye and hopefully some weeds with a hopefully well timed spraying of Imox/Cleth in the spring and complete summer mowing maintenance. I would like to thank you all for your assistance I have learned a lot from this group already and lookforward to learnig more and hopefully paying it forward at some point.
RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
Just for fun I took some photos today to document status of the Clover Chicory Plot at the end of July. It is truly a Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Western, the Good the bad and the Ugly.
Pic 1 and 2 is a "the good" section a bit lower, held moisture better and is really thriving. Tall Chicory, abundance of Clover underneath and minimal weed issues.
Picture 3, 5 and 6 are more of "the bad" areas, weeds and some grass here and there, not part of my areas of thistle issues, I think I can do some quality fall work on these areas with a mix of clover and WR over seed that I am ready to do as soon as I see some solid rains in the forecast. Plan is to Overseed and mow the plot around 6" and give it to the powers that be for the fall.
Picture 4 is the main area of thistle infestation "the ugly". I am not sure this is savable but I am trying. Very little clover and chicory present. I just last night I spot sprayed these areas with Buytrac 200. I realize I may not get a great kill this time of year but I wanted to hit them and give it a week before over seed. It is difficult to see but there is already wilt on the thistle the silver looking areas so I know it is at least giving some control. Come spring if I am fighting a losing battle I may need to section areas of the plot off and go nuclear on a protion of it. This thistle is prolific.
So that is where things stand in pictures. On a side not my Brassica plot on another part of the property is just sprouting so I am excited to see how that fall planting does over the fall. I have a nice decent 2.5 year old on camera walking into it at 1:15 am last night. I attached that at the end, I think. :)
Pic 1 and 2 is a "the good" section a bit lower, held moisture better and is really thriving. Tall Chicory, abundance of Clover underneath and minimal weed issues.
Picture 3, 5 and 6 are more of "the bad" areas, weeds and some grass here and there, not part of my areas of thistle issues, I think I can do some quality fall work on these areas with a mix of clover and WR over seed that I am ready to do as soon as I see some solid rains in the forecast. Plan is to Overseed and mow the plot around 6" and give it to the powers that be for the fall.
Picture 4 is the main area of thistle infestation "the ugly". I am not sure this is savable but I am trying. Very little clover and chicory present. I just last night I spot sprayed these areas with Buytrac 200. I realize I may not get a great kill this time of year but I wanted to hit them and give it a week before over seed. It is difficult to see but there is already wilt on the thistle the silver looking areas so I know it is at least giving some control. Come spring if I am fighting a losing battle I may need to section areas of the plot off and go nuclear on a protion of it. This thistle is prolific.
So that is where things stand in pictures. On a side not my Brassica plot on another part of the property is just sprouting so I am excited to see how that fall planting does over the fall. I have a nice decent 2.5 year old on camera walking into it at 1:15 am last night. I attached that at the end, I think. :)
RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
I just wanted to reply and update this thread, Omicron's suggested mix worked really well for me. I sprayed in Late May here with this mixture. There was quite a bit of grass and weed growth as well as a good bit of Winter Rye I broadcast in last fall. Mowed the plot in early June and here is what it is looking like today. You can see the Chicory survived the spraying. Weed problem is much more under control then last year and the clover is really taking hold and taking over. Second year and it's ability to crowd out weeds may also be helping but there were quite a bit in the plot prior to spraying and mowing. I am very pleased with these two fields totaling about 3 acres. Shot a nice tom out of one this spring as well.
You can see the progress it has made in year two, a few pictures from the same perspective.
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
That looks great my friend! Feels so good to know you did that from scratch. Well done!
jsasker007
5 year old buck +
Looks like the student has become the teacher. Looks great
Very nice thread. Thank you for the update!! I’m in a very similar situation to you as of last year. I’d be a happy man if I get results on year 2 similar to what you’ve showed here.
Quick question, did you overseed with rye in Aug last year? If so, how’d that go?
I’ve got a nearly identical scenario although I did two plots totaling approx 1-1.5 acre this year with plans to expand to 3-4 acres next year, maybe a bit more in years to come. I’m considering this year as an experiment and a learning curve and to extrapolate that in years to come.
Great looking plots, thank you for sharing.
Quick question, did you overseed with rye in Aug last year? If so, how’d that go?
I’ve got a nearly identical scenario although I did two plots totaling approx 1-1.5 acre this year with plans to expand to 3-4 acres next year, maybe a bit more in years to come. I’m considering this year as an experiment and a learning curve and to extrapolate that in years to come.
Great looking plots, thank you for sharing.
RJAJr
A good 3 year old buck
Good Morning. I overseeded WR in Late August Early September. To be honest I am not really sure how much of a difference that made but WR is cheap. Last year was very dry, The clover was there but could not really get going. It started to look better in fall after the hot dry summer relented a bit here in central Wisconsin. This spring and early summer have been ideal for growing, plentiful rain. I think a good part of the bump is just second year bump of clover and the fall mowing I did. I am no expert but the herbicide treatment really seems to have helped my weed issue. I am planning a fall treatment as well to catch late season weeds. My current plan is to mow here soon as it is all flowered out. Then likely treat in August and mow one last time in Late August. I have a couple of strips that need some overseeding, pretty sure it was a result of just a poor walking pattern when hand seeding the plots. Will try to "throw and mow" these sections to see if I can get them to fill in. Best of luck with your plot. If you stay with it and do the work and follow the good advice found here you should have success.
I will say this, I did a smaller plot in Late August, worked it, seeded with winter rye, dragged it out then hit it with Ladino and Med Red. Drove my wheeler over it to pack it all down. Any future clover plots will be done in this manner. Rye was an amazing nurse crop for this small kill plot. Just be on top of it in spring, I likely let the rye get a bit to mature before spraying and mowing. But this plot is also full of thick lush clover now after spraying and mowing. WR is so helpful great tool to establish plots even if it is just WR in the fall. The only drawback I see is if you let it go to long it gets stemmy and thick. My deer and turkey seem to love it when it is young and green.
