Are the glory days of deer hunting coming to a close?

[BenA]

Do you think you pay as much in sales tax as the average KY resident? How about state income tax? Do you think you support local business to the same extent as KY residents. Do you license your vehicles, boats, trailers in KY? Property tax is but a very small portion of the taxes I pay annually. If a NR bought my land - they would pay in taxes a very small portion of what I paid. I just paid $4200 in sales tax on a vehicle I bought. Would a NR do that?

Kentucky gets its fish and wildlife revenue almost entirely from license sales. A resident landowner in Kentucky doesn't have to pay a dime to hunt on their own land unless they want to.

 

[SwampCat]

As much…maybe. More than some way less than others. But how much do I consume? Almost nothing. So I’m a net positive in those terms

But you are a net negative compared to if a resident was living there. I dont know how KY works, so I have to go off what we do here in AR. I dont have kids in school, but I still pay millage of the worth of my boats, vehicles, and trailers. I buy almost all my food, gas, ammo, feeders, etc and support the local economy, which a NR does very little of. A NR is doing good to spend two months at their property - I spend - 12 months, buying groceries, medicine, eating at restaurants, going to dr, buying vehicles, boats, trailers, sxs’s, etc. A NR pays very little county sales tax - but the county would still keep the road up in front of a NR land, would still maintain the approach to a NR driveway, if the culvert washed out under the approach to your driveway, they would repair it. I dont see it as being a close call

I am NOT against a NR owning property - I just dont believe they support the area nearly like a resident does. I would love to own a nice fish camp down on the Louisiana coast

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

But you are a net negative compared to if a resident was living there. I dont know how KY works, so I have to go off what we do here in AR. I dont have kids in school, but I still pay millage of the worth of my boats, vehicles, and trailers. I buy almost all my food, gas, ammo, feeders, etc and support the local economy, which a NR does very little of. A NR is doing good to spend two months at their property - I spend - 12 months, buying groceries, medicine, eating at restaurants, going to dr, buying vehicles, boats, trailers, sxs’s, etc. A NR pays very little county sales tax - but the county would still keep the road up in front of a NR land, would still maintain the approach to a NR driveway, if the culvert washed out under the approach to your driveway, they would repair it. I dont see it as being a close call

I am NOT against a NR owning property - I just dont believe they support the area nearly like a resident does. I would love to own a nice fish camp down on the Louisiana coast

There’s no right answer. So some guy living in Des Moines in a rent controlled housing and getting ebt stamps contributes more than some high roller buying 500 acres in southern Iowa to hunt? EBT guy is a huge negative on the budget of the state yet he gets preferential treatment over the guy who would be a positive. Once again that’s why I err on the landowner angle
There’s a ton of angles to this debate.

 

[BenA]

I am NOT against a NR owning property - I just dont believe they support the area nearly like a resident does. I would love to own a nice fish camp down on the Louisiana coast

What if you did that, then Louisiana decides to say you can't fish or duck hunt there anymore, or you can only every so many years after they kept upping the license fees for you?

 

[SwampCat]

There’s no right answer. So some guy living in Des Moines in a rent controlled housing and getting ebt stamps contributes more than some high roller buying 500 acres in southern Iowa to hunt? EBT guy is a huge negative on the budget of the state yet he gets preferential treatment over the guy who would be a positive. Once again that’s why I err on the landowner angle
There’s a ton of angles to this debate.

Yes - I am not getting down in the weeds - I am strictly comparing what I, as a resident land owner, contribute to the area and state as compared to what a NR landowner would contribute if they owned my property.

 

[hillrunner]

There’s no right answer. So some guy living in Des Moines in a rent controlled housing and getting ebt stamps contributes more than some high roller buying 500 acres in southern Iowa to hunt? EBT guy is a huge negative on the budget of the state yet he gets preferential treatment over the guy who would be a positive. Once again that’s why I err on the landowner angle
There’s a ton of angles to this debate.

If we play our cards right, the EBT leech moves to a tent city in LA where they cater to his kind and the landowner moves to Iowa .

You're right, it's not perfect. The best we can do is compromise and hopefully choose the path that is best for the state and preserving rural communities overall , but also fair to out of state friends. I don't want to see anyone shut out completely.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

If we play our cards right, the EBT leech moves to a tent city in LA where they cater to his kind and the landowner moves to Iowa .

You're right, it's not perfect. The best we can do is compromise and hopefully choose the path that is best for the state and preserving rural communities overall , but also fair to out of state friends. I don't want to see anyone shut out completely.

Agreed totally. Someone in every scenario gets hurt and someone benefits. At the end of the day I’m going to side with the decision that benefits the resource. I would be open minded to anything that improved the hunting even if it negatively affected me. I’m sitting on 16 years of getting rejected in Utah for elk and I’m totally fine with it. There’s more interested people than resources at a quality level so we have to wait our turn. Sucks but it’s reality. The other option is go to the over saturated public land of Colorado and hunt dinks with 200,000 of your friends.

 

[SwampCat]

Probably not as disconnected as an out of state landowner - but in state intermittent land owner are not a great thing, either. I bought my land eight years before I moved to it permanently. Granted, I was still supporting state and county - but almost every time I went to my land, I bought food, gas, feed and seed, etc in the community where I lived. I hardly ever supported the community where my land was - until I moved full time.