Apples,apples and more apples

[chummer]

So I tried some last minute grafting. I cut these scion 15 days ago while still dormant at camp. I grafted 14 days ago and these are in my garage at home. We have had a couple warm days in that time. I don't ever remember my grafts waking up this fast. Any chance these take or are they just leafing out from the warmer Temps? These were rootstock that didn't take last year so I left some nurse branches on. I don't see how this would be different than top working but what do I know.

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[Chainsaw]

Jeremy, I am so new at this that I can't answer your question as to will they make it. However I don't like to see the tape unraveling so quickly; mine that have done that didn't do well for me. The rest though look good and could make it just fine. They definitely have awakened earlier than ideal. I would keep them in the dark, keep them moist and add some ice bottles to the pails to slow them down. This warmer than normal weather is adding a new twist for us all.

 

[Chainsaw]

Last year being my first year grafting I was anxious to see our grafted rootstocks wake up and begin to grow. Myself and others prompted them to wake up early and then planted outside too early for our zone. And when back to back late freezes rolled thru many grafts were lost. This year, thanks to that experience and the suggestions from the guys on this forum, the grafts are not yet awakened and are still in the lower barn in coolers to keep them cool on hot days and warm during cold snaps. They are still dormant on this day, April 21 and they don't even know that temps are expected to be below thirty much of today.


Thank you to everyone on the forum and the nurseries we buy from for helping me speed up my learning curve on grafting and propagating apple trees. It is a fun journey and I'm glad I finally took to it.

 

[AtomApple]

Sometimes I think...we are just Gluttons for Punishment!!

Have you thought of opening your land to people that have a tag? I would assume there is some type of forum for bear hunting. Maybe a “pro“ or guide that is looking for opportunities, you could screen the people and be on a permission only basis. IDK, just a thought.

 

[4wanderingeyes]

Have you thought of opening your land to people that have a tag? I would assume there is some type of forum for bear hunting. Maybe a “pro“ or guide that is looking for opportunities, you could screen the people and be on a permission only basis. IDK, just a thought.

I have plenty of bear in my area as well, and when someone bear hunts, they will usually put out bait, to draw in a bunch of bear, then they will shout the biggest one. The problem then is, you have a bunch of young destructive bears wandering around, looking for food.

 

[letemgrow]

Put together some final grafts for 2021 with some generous donations from several members here. B118 rootstock from CopenHaven farms were excellent and were 20% off.

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[Wild Thing]

Have you thought of opening your land to people that have a tag? I would assume there is some type of forum for bear hunting. Maybe a “pro“ or guide that is looking for opportunities, you could screen the people and be on a permission only basis. IDK, just a thought.

Yes - we have Atom Apple. We have even set up multiple bait sights for them. Unfortunately, none of the invited hunters have ever successfully killed a bear here. We will keep trying though

 

[chummer]

Probably will jinx it but I moved my grafts to the front porch. I cut the scion and grafted the next day. As of now success rate is 75%. If this works I will no longer store scion. Benefit of having camp growing season 4 weeks behind home

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[Chainsaw]

That is great success Chummer. Yikes though, those are some tiny scions for only cutting a couple of sticks off of a tree. We need to get you to trim your trees hard, especially your Center Field tree so we can get some 1/4 inch scions from you. Us older people need the quicker results that large rootstock and large scions can give us. Speaking of that very special Center Field tree you showed me on your property that happens to not only survive but actually produces well in the most hostile weather environment in New York, how is the bloom on it this year?

 

[chummer]

That is great success Chummer. Yikes though, those are some tiny scions for only cutting a couple of sticks off of a tree. We need to get you to trim your trees hard, especially your Center Field tree so we can get some 1/4 inch scions from you. Us older people need the quicker results that large rootstock and large scions can give us. Speaking of that very special Center Field tree you showed me on your property that happens to not only survive but actually produces well in the most hostile weather environment in New York, how is the bloom on it this year?

No bloom yet. It usually blooms third week of May. I haven’t been up in a couple weeks but everything was still dormant then. Funny, I limed that tree last year and was happy with how big those scion were compared to previous years.

 

[chummer]

I missed peek bloom by a few days but still some blossoms on Centerfield. Looks like it was loaded and with the weather last week it should be a bumber crop.

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[Chainsaw]

I missed peek bloom by a few days but still some blossoms on Centerfield. Looks like it was loaded and with the weather last week it should be a bumber crop.

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Centerfield is one great tree Jeremy. With it continually ignoring Fire Blight only sixty yards away, showing zero signs of C.A.R. , thriving in the obscene temperatures and the wicked prolonged five plus foot snow packs of Tugg Hill, And regularly producing and holding its apples, it may deserve a small fence around the trunk. I think one of my grafts from Centerfield took last year. I'm looking forward to growing it. I'm sure it will like it here.

I see now what you meant about larger scions: it looks to have some good growth from last year.

 

[chummer]

Centerfield is one great tree Jeremy. With it continually ignoring Fire Blight only sixty yards away, showing zero signs of C.A.R. , thriving in the obscene temperatures and the wicked prolonged five plus foot snow packs of Tugg Hill, And regularly producing and holding its apples, it may deserve a small fence around the trunk. I think one of my grafts from Centerfield took last year. I'm looking forward to growing it. I'm sure it will like it here.

I see now what you meant about larger scions: it looks to have some good growth from last year.

I think there are now 6 of its clones growing as well. A couple have reached 6'. Also some top works that I didn't label. Long way of saying scion availability should be improving.

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[Bowsnbucks]

Chainsaw -
I was at Ryan's Blue Hill nursery April 22nd to pick up my trees for hunting camp. I still want to get a "Turning Point" tree for next year - he sold out by the time I ordered. We only have room for a couple more apple trees at camp, and I want a Turning Point before we run out of space. How is it for DR?? Any problems with Turning Point??

 

[Chainsaw]

Chainsaw -
I was at Ryan's Blue Hill nursery April 22nd to pick up my trees for hunting camp. I still want to get a "Turning Point" tree for next year - he sold out by the time I ordered. We only have room for a couple more apple trees at camp, and I want a Turning Point before we run out of space. How is it for DR?? Any problems with Turning Point??

Turning Point has performed flawlessly here. It is my Favorite tree out of the 3,000 plus trees here. It is simply perfect. No diseases, annually produces even on one year old wood, deer check it every day even in the off season and off season doesn't begin until March. And Turning Point loves to bloom very early, age wise. Here is a picture of a Turning Point Scion grafted onto Dolgo this past March, planted two weeks ago AND IS BLOOMING ALREADY! This is not the norm of course but this tree just continues to out do itself here.

From growing daylilies we have seen perfect growing plants here that were not perfect everywhere. So while Turning Point likely will perform well in your area, we simply do not know for sure as last year was only the first year it was sold out of this immediate area. If you are unable to secure a Turning Point order from Ryan for next year, you let me know and one of my personal ones will be available to you. Note; it may not be as large as the Turning Points Ryan produces; I'm just learning and Ryan is very, very good at growing trees but the genes will be there.

 

[Tree Spud]

Turning Point has performed flawlessly here. It is my Favorite tree out of the 3,000 plus trees here. It is simply perfect. No diseases, annually produces even on one year old wood, deer check it every day even in the off season and off season doesn't begin until March. And Turning Point loves to bloom very early, age wise. Here is a picture of a Turning Point Scion grafted onto Dolgo this past March, planted two weeks ago AND IS BLOOMING ALREADY! This is not the norm of course but this tree just continues to out do itself here.

From growing daylilies we have seen perfect growing plants here that were not perfect everywhere. So while Turning Point likely will perform well in your area, we simply do not know for sure as last year was only the first year it was sold out of this immediate area. If you are unable to secure a Turning Point order from Ryan for next year, you let me know and one of my personal ones will be available to you. Note; it may not be as large as the Turning Points Ryan produces; I'm just learning and Ryan is very, very good at growing trees but the genes will be there.

I was able to buy 4 Turning Points from BH. Looking forward to watching their progress.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Chainsaw -
Thanks for the info AND the offer of a tree. Our hunting camp is on a mountain top in NC Pa. - zone 5 & 6 border. Good breeze there all year, cooler than most of areas to the south of camp's location. Higher elevation gets us snow when other areas get rain. Not as cold & snowy as the Tug area - but minus 10 to 15 isn't unheard of. We benefit from being somewhat isolated - common disease-carrying / hosting trees and plants are not near us. So that helps. All of our trees get plenty of sun too, along with the mostly constant breeze - both of which aid in keeping diseases to a minimum. A Turning Point tree will get a prime location.

I'll be talking to Ryan soon about when I should place an order for a Turning Point. His place is just barely off my route to camp, so rolling into BH Nursery is only 1/2 mile detour. Pretty handy!! If for some reason he has any trouble with his supply of Turning Point, I'll be in touch with you and take you up on your offer. Thanks!!

 

[Chainsaw]

I was able to buy 4 Turning Points from BH. Looking forward to watching their progress.

I too am looking forward to seeing how they do at your place.

 

[H20fwler]

Turning Point has performed flawlessly here. It is my Favorite tree out of the 3,000 plus trees here. It is simply perfect. No diseases, annually produces even on one year old wood, deer check it every day even in the off season and off season doesn't begin until March. And Turning Point loves to bloom very early, age wise. Here is a picture of a Turning Point Scion grafted onto Dolgo this past March, planted two weeks ago AND IS BLOOMING ALREADY! This is not the norm of course but this tree just continues to out do itself here.

From growing daylilies we have seen perfect growing plants here that were not perfect everywhere. So while Turning Point likely will perform well in your area, we simply do not know for sure as last year was only the first year it was sold out of this immediate area. If you are unable to secure a Turning Point order from Ryan for next year, you let me know and one of my personal ones will be available to you. Note; it may not be as large as the Turning Points Ryan produces; I'm just learning and Ryan is very, very good at growing trees but the genes will be there.
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My Golden Hornet grafts bloom here too.

 

[Chainsaw]

That is interesting H20fwler. Do you find that the characteristic to sometimes bloom on grafts carries over into any other characteristic like early fruiting or heavy apple production? I am presuming that trees that bloom on one year old wood would tend to fruit early in life. On Turning Point it is so far not normal for grafts to bloom even though a few are in my nursery area. On Golden Hornet is it an oddity to graft bloom or is more normal than not? And do you graft with mostly one year old wood(last summers growth)?

I see that Golden Hornet is listed on Orange Pippin as a late hanger with average disease resistance. Do you have cedar apple rust in your area and do you find it susceptible to it? Any other disease issues?