What is yourfavorite persimmon?

[bigbendmarine]

Admittedly not speaking to your question as relates to wildlife (blessed to have a fair number of wild native persimmons growing on my place doing that), but strongly recommend if you live between zone 6 and zone 9 and have an open spot near your home that you try growing either Fuyu or Jiro for your OWN consumption! They're my wife's favorite fruit and since nonanstringent, you can pick early for an apple-like texture or let it get soft for an almost tomato-like texture -- delicious either way. Fruit does hold strongly to the tree, but as for timing mine are extremely regular -- year after year the oriental persimmons I planted have fruit ripening on them around mid-october.

 

[yoderjac]

"Deer Candy" is actually a marketing tool for a collection of early persimmons which includes "Prok", "Morris Burton", and "Yates". Per Chestnut Hill. I believe they are shipped to different parts of the country according to expected hardiness. I witnessed a shipment of "Deer Candy" last spring which included all 3 varieties so I checked into it.

That is a perfect example of how variety names are completely unregulated and indiscernible from brand names when it comes to persimmons. England's uses "Deer Candy" as a variety name. The bottom line is that unless you do your homework, you can't tell what you are getting. Even with some of the established varieties like Prok and Meder, trees get mislabeled and the buyer thinks he has a specific variety but it is something else. He then passes it on as something it is not. Many persimmon names, especially with "Deer" in them are about as reliable as BOB seed names. SuperMegaTrophyBuckSeed may have a completely different composition from one year to the next.

Going back to the claypool records with Jerry Lehman is really the only way to have a bit of assurance in what you are getting.

The good news is this: It doesn't matter! Deer love them all. Just get scions from a variety of sources with different names. You will get a variety of drop times over the long run and deer won't turn their noses up at any of them!

Thanks,

Jack

 

[yoderjac]

They use “Deer Candy Collection” as a brand as opposed to as the name of a cultivar. Additionally, it is questionable as to whether the “Deer Magnet” they advertise is the same cultivar as that which is generally recognized as the Deer Magnet cultivar within the industry.

That is because there is no "generally recognized" "Deer Magnet". It is all marketing to deer hunters when you see "Deer" in the name of a persimmon.

 

[White Birch Farm]

That is because there is no "generally recognized" "Deer Magnet". It is all marketing to deer hunters when you see "Deer" in the name of a persimmon.

Jerry Lehman developed a specific cultivar that he named Deer Magnet, which is generally recognized by anyone knowldegable about the subject as the Deer Magnet Cultivar.

The fact that you are unaware of that shocks me given how much time you have spent writting here and elsewhere about Persimmons in general and Jerry Lehman more specifically.

 

[yoderjac]

Jerry Lehman developed a specific cultivar that he named Deer Magnet, which is generally recognized by anyone knowldegable about the subject as the Deer Magnet Cultivar.

The fact that you are unaware of that shocks me given how much time you have spent writting here and elsewhere about Persimmons in general and Jerry Lehman more specifically.

Jerry Lehman came up with the name "Deer Magent" but the variety is actually 110-29 from Jim Claypool. If you look at the old Claypool records, you will see that the varieties he grafted were identified by location of the tree in his orchard, thus 100-29. You will also see in those records how Jim rated the fruit produced by each tree for characteristics important to commercialization. This tree was rated high in promiscuity but had low ratings in some other areas that are important in commercial sales of the fruit, but meaningless to deer. When Jerry took over and recognized there was value in the deer hunting industry, he called 100-29 "Deer Magnet" and started selling scions as such.

I believe 100-29 was one of the many specific crosses that Jim made, but many others have simply found wild trees growing that are prolific and drop when they want and called them "Deer whatever" and marketed them. With no authority and no distinction between variety names, brand names, and trade names, it is the wild wild west. I know Jerry would like "Deer Magnet" to be generally recognized but from a food plotter perspective it is "Buyer Beware" !

Thanks,

Jack

 

[White Birch Farm]

Jerry Lehman came up with the name "Deer Magent"

Thank you for recognizing that fact Deer Magnet is a cultivar developed by Jerry Lehman.

 

[yoderjac]

Thank you for recognizing that fact Deer Magnet is a cultivar developed by Jerry Lehman.

It was actually developed by Jim Claypool. Jerry renamed it.

 

[White Birch Farm]

It was actually developed by Jim Claypool. Jerry renamed it.

A cultivar is a named variety that is marketed under that name. Jerry Lehman named Deer Magnet and he marketed the cultivar by that name. By your own admission, Claypool neither named it, nor marketed it is as “Deer Magnet” before Lehman. Again, these are things I would have suspected you knew given how much you constantly post about these subjects.

Next of course you will come back and say you knew all this....which will just once again be evidence you are engaging in a circular argument with yourself for arguments sake as is so often the case here.

This constant non-sense with you Jack really, really, detracts from this otherwise great forum.

 

[White Birch Farm]

DEER MAGNET PERSIMMON​

This grafted female persimmons tree is from Jerry Lehman’s collection and originating in Central Indiana. Deer Magnet was chosen because of its ability to hold persimmons tree very late in the year. This tree typically does not begin dropping until around December 1st as the freezing weather of winter moves in. Deer Magnet produces a sweet 1 ½” persimmons that ripens on the tree. This persimmons tree is great for some late season hunting and begins producing in as little at 3 years.

Just a simple example of a well respected commercial grower generally recognizing Deer Magnet as being developed by Lehman.

 

[Troubles Trees]

Sounds like they need to introduce a few more and call those Deer Candy as well haha! Stupid question but who is Ryan?

Ryan is Ryan Haines, he is the owner of Blue Hills Nursery in PA which focuses on trees for wildlife and drop times verses human consumption. I really can't say enough good about Ryan, I had a few issues with my order and the guy made good on it even though he didn't have to.

Persimmon Trees Archives

Grafted female bare root persimmon trees for sale! We have excellent cold hardy varieties when planting persimmon trees for whitetail deer.

bluehillwildlifenursery.com

 

[blueKYstream]

Thanks!

Ryan is Ryan Haines, he is the owner of Blue Hills Nursery in PA which focuses on trees for wildlife and drop times verses human consumption. I really can't say enough good about Ryan, I had a few issues with my order and the guy made good on it even though he didn't have to.

Persimmon Trees Archives

Grafted female bare root persimmon trees for sale! We have excellent cold hardy varieties when planting persimmon trees for whitetail deer.

bluehillwildlifenursery.com

Thanks! I should have known that as much as I've read what he's put on his website and Facebook.

 

[blueKYstream]

At the risk of interjecting my nose where it doesn't belong, I know less than either of you! I appreciate the knowledge you both have shared though. None of us are where we would like to be with what we know, but we're all here to work towards that. Let's not beat each other up.

 

[homerj1]

Cultivar versus Variety

As a horticulturist, it is important that I use the right terms the right way (at least most of the time). Variety and cultivar are two terms often abused by gardeners and horticulturists.

hortnews.extension.iastate.edu

 

[yoderjac]

Just a simple example of a well respected commercial grower generally recognizing Deer Magnet as being developed by Lehman.

Sometime I think you just like to argue and are missing the forest for the trees. The tree was developed (cross bread) by Jim Claypool labeled as 100-29. Jerry got Jim's collection when he passed away. Who did what with that particular tree is beside the point.

The point of my posts is that with persimmons, two folks can buy trees with the same name from different sources and get completely different trees. Folks need to look deeper than the name to understand what they are getting.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[yoderjac]

At the risk of interjecting my nose where it doesn't belong, I know less than either of you! I appreciate the knowledge you both have shared though. None of us are where we would like to be with what we know, but we're all here to work towards that. Let's not beat each other up.

Completely agree!

 

[Triple C]

American persimmons are my favorite wildlife tree. First, they are native to my area and that makes them well adapted and perform very well. Second they are free or nearly so. You can take scions from any tree in your area that is producing fruit, cut down a non-producing tree in the 1" to 4" diameter size that is growing on your property and bark graft the scion. You can see the first fruit in the third leaf after grafting. The large root system from the established tree makes fruit production much faster. Third, while they require some attention the year you graft, after that, they are maintenance free.

Agree! Love my native American persimmons. Zero maintenance...other than daylighting them, and they fruit every single year like clockwork. Deer dodge arrows to get to them. Mother Nature's perfect soft mast for wildlife. I"m too far south for apples to do well. My pears are hit and miss, mostly miss due to late frosts, and when they are hit, I lose limbs due to fruit load. I just pruned 18 Kieffers. Took me 2 weekends to get it done. They may or may not produce this year. Haven't spent a minute on my persimmons and know that I will have plenty of fruit come October.

 

[yoderjac]

Agree! Love my native American persimmons. Zero maintenance...other than daylighting them, and they fruit every single year like clockwork. Deer dodge arrows to get to them. Mother Nature's perfect soft mast for wildlife. I"m too far south for apples to do well. My pears are hit and miss, mostly miss due to late frosts, and when they are hit, I lose limbs due to fruit load. I just pruned 18 Kieffers. Took me 2 weekends to get it done. They may or may not produce this year. Haven't spent a minute on my persimmons and know that I will have plenty of fruit come October.

Outstanding! Gotta love 'em. You mention daylighting native trees. For those who have not done that, I like to do it in stages. I've seen guys who have cleared a large area around a persimmon all at once only to have the wind break it. They can grow spindly and tall in heavy competition. I'll remove a few trees close to it the first year and remove a few more each year for a few years. That gives them time to adapt a bit.

Thanks,

Jack