yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Yes, I agree with that. The thing I found intriguing was that some studies showed removing them can change how females reproduce and increase numbers. Seemed counter intuitive to me, but that is what she said...
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Yes, I agree with that. The thing I found intriguing was that some studies showed removing them can change how females reproduce and increase numbers. Seemed counter intuitive to me, but that is what she said...
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
No, I don't think they were state funded. She was working for USDA at the time I chatted with her. I can't recall the previous position she was in when working with the research. She was young, so it may have been part of her grad work. She did not seem to be advocating for coyotes at all. I believe they were trying to find the best ways to control them.
If we are killing coyotes because we enjoy the hunt or like trapping, our benefit is the enjoyment in the field. If we are looking to control populations, understanding the real impacts of what we are doing is important. As I say, it seems counter-intuitive to me, but knowing the impacts can make us more effective.
We control deer populations by harvesting female deer. As far as I know, most coyote harvest is indiscriminate with respect to sex and age. It was a number of years ago that I had that conversation with her, so my memory of specifics is a bit fuzzy. As I recall, it was killing certain males in the social/age structure that was related to some of this. I'm all for controlling the coyote populations, I'm just not sure we have a good handle on how.
Thanks,
Jack
SWIFFY
5 year old buck +
I heard and read from many sources that a high coyote harvest results in larger litters the following years. Im sure its true. I think many populations in nature are designed that way.
The year I got 25 off my pond I averaged about $90/yote at the sale AND I got to have fun doing it. If those packs are bigger next year because of my harvest, well bring it on!
The year I got 25 off my pond I averaged about $90/yote at the sale AND I got to have fun doing it. If those packs are bigger next year because of my harvest, well bring it on!
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
What I found most interesting was the sex bias she described. Not just larger litters, but a higher percentage of female pups. I think the sex bias in pups was specific to which coyotes were harvested.
Turkey Creek
5 year old buck +
Skinning a cold coyote is about as fun as whacking your thumb with a hammer! Warm, freshly dispatched coyotes are a WHOLE lot easier.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
"Conventional wisdom suggests that coyote control efforts actually result in an increase in the number of coyotes due to increasing litter sizes and pregnancy rates among individuals that survive. New research published in the Journal of Wildlife Management demonstrates that while litter size and pregnancy rates tend to increase somewhat after heavy trapping pressure, overall reproductive capacity of the population declines."
" although pregnancy rate, litter size, and fecundity of adults all tended to increase from pre‐trapping (2009) through the last trapping period (2011–2012), differences were not significant for this or any other age class. Fecundity of the population did not significantly increase during the first year of trapping (2010) but was lower during the last trapping period"
Why are coyote populations difficult to control?
Conventional wisdom suggests that coyote control efforts actually result in an increase in the number of coyotes due to increasing litter sizes and pregnancy rates among individuals that survive.
www.sciencedaily.com
" although pregnancy rate, litter size, and fecundity of adults all tended to increase from pre‐trapping (2009) through the last trapping period (2011–2012), differences were not significant for this or any other age class. Fecundity of the population did not significantly increase during the first year of trapping (2010) but was lower during the last trapping period"
S.T.Fanatic
5 year old buck +
young coyotes are easier to snare. I'm not letting up on them.
hillrunner
5 year old buck +
Coyote snaring is fun and pretty easy. Long grass with trails works best for me. I've been able to catch multiple coyotes off the same trail by moving a new snare just a few feet up from the burn area left by the last one.
yoteslayer
A good 3 year old buck
I AGREE 100% with Turkey Creek. I will NOT skin a cold one. It gets shot or dispatched and skinned right away with the steam coming off the hide or it doesnt get skinned.
Selling them to the fur buyer used to be worthwhile. Our midwest yotes arent worth a dern. They dont have the guard hairs or colors that they want like from the ones out west.
Native Hunter
5 year old buck +
I have let a good trapper come to my 100 acre farm the last three years. He has wiped them out. I haven't hardly had a picture of one this year. I told the trapper today that he was welcome but there was no use in coming. However, I turned him loose on my 20 acres about 4 miles away. That place needs a good cleansing.
PS: The academia BS that says you can't make a difference because they magically start "pooping out" more and more young ones when the population gets low is a bunch of bunk. Of course, any person with any sense should have already known that. Coyotes aren't magic - they are pests - and you get rid of them like you do any other pest.
It feels good to be coyote free on the 100.
OH YEA - almost forgot - I jumped 4 coveys of quail checking trail cameras today walking less than 200 yards.
PS: The academia BS that says you can't make a difference because they magically start "pooping out" more and more young ones when the population gets low is a bunch of bunk. Of course, any person with any sense should have already known that. Coyotes aren't magic - they are pests - and you get rid of them like you do any other pest.
It feels good to be coyote free on the 100.
OH YEA - almost forgot - I jumped 4 coveys of quail checking trail cameras today walking less than 200 yards.
While removing coyotes can cause reproductive rates to increase, studies at savannah river plantaion in GA show that the more young coyotes are not as effective predators as fewer older coyotes. Removal of coyotes is more effective during denning season, as they are not going to move so far then. Not that there are too many deer anywhere in my world - but in those areas where that occurs, coyotes may be a friend - helping to control deer numbers. I know the coyotes around my place are effective predators on young pigs - which can be a big help in hog control.
4wanderingeyes
5 year old buck +
I found the best way to rid your land of coyotes is to have the wolves move in for a few weeks. Problem solved, no coyotes around for months. No deer either, but that will fix the coyote problem.
Redonthehead
5 year old buck +
I don't try to trap coyotes as they don't seem to be a big problem. I have too many deer as it is - and coyote trapping is probably too advanced for my lazy arse.
I do hit the possums and coons every other year or so - trying to help the turkeys which are way down in population. I started with dog proofs but the body grip trap inside a box is a much better system for me.
I do hit the possums and coons every other year or so - trying to help the turkeys which are way down in population. I started with dog proofs but the body grip trap inside a box is a much better system for me.
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Your coyotes probably kill more nest predators than you do. They do kill turkeys and destroy nests, but some studies suggest that they kill enough nest predators to have an overall neutral to slightly positive impact on turkey populations.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
Do coyotes eat possums?
Catscratch
5 year old buck +
Yeppers!
