Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
Shoot, shovel, and shut up.......before you do........What is SSS?
bill
Shoot, shovel, and shut up.......before you do........What is SSS?
bill
Shoot, shovel, and shut up.
Funny how ethics and the law vary over time an location. When I was growing up in PA, if you saw a dog chasing a deer you were taught that it was your obligation to shoot the dog. Here in VA there are clear laws and stiff penalties against it.
It is illegal to remove a collar from a dog here, but on occasion I've caught dogs on my land without collars and sometimes with. Since I live an hour and a half from my farm, and the local shelter is in the opposite direction. I always take the dog back to the shelter in the city with the high concentration of PETA folks. If the dog gets adopted up there, it won't be running lose on my farm again. When I tell the shelter how the dog seemed so hungry it was chasing wildlife to survive, I would suspect some of those places would be reluctant to call the owner if the dog had a collar with tag to return it. Even if they do, the owner has to drive an hour and a half to get it back.
Thanks,
Jack
I look at it this way, Is it a law, regulation, or a mandate. There is a big difference! I havent been doing a very good job at following recent mandates. I follow the law but I have driven over the speed limit. I follow regulations but also see some grey area and when hunting or fishing private property....
There has been talk on another thread about something that is currently legal that MANY people have a huge problem with so...
In Minnesota:
Dogs pursuing big game
No persons may allow their dog to chase or kill big game.
Between January 1 and July 14, a dog that is observed wounding, killing, or pursuing in a way that endangers big game may be killed by any person. A peace officer or conservation officer may kill a dog that endangers big game at any time of the year. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog.
Why the time of year has anything to do with it I have no idea. This is one of those where SSS comes into play for me.
Many years ago the neighbors had dogs that like to run and my uncle chased them off of our property several times. The last time he got sick of it. He chased the dog back, walked into the neighbors house, grabbed the shotgun leaning up against the wall in the corner of the room, and shot the dog in their front yard. It was a different day back then.
The time of the year has to do with reproduction. Does stressed by long chases with dogs my survive but not produce fawns that survive.
if you're on your land, I'd say the guy can pound sand. It's your tree, your right to sit where you want. Now if he catches you shooting onto his, that's BS.
However, what would be wrong with having a conversation with the neighbors, saying "we both hunt the line, and if a der is in range on either side, you're free to shoot my side, just as I am to shoot on your side"
You both win, you both get a little more land to hunt, and likely that deer he shot, was on his side at one point. Don't make a federal case of it.
I guess that's assuming you have decent neighbors who can be reasoned with.
noooooo......do I need to take it back?shoot, shovel, shut up
I guess by definition, i wasn't doing the shut up part.
Funny how ethics and the law vary over time an location. When I was growing up in PA, if you saw a dog chasing a deer you were taught that it was your obligation to shoot the dog. Here in VA there are clear laws and stiff penalties against it.
It is illegal to remove a collar from a dog here, but on occasion I've caught dogs on my land without collars and sometimes with. Since I live an hour and a half from my farm, and the local shelter is in the opposite direction. I always take the dog back to the shelter in the city with the high concentration of PETA folks. If the dog gets adopted up there, it won't be running lose on my farm again. When I tell the shelter how the dog seemed so hungry it was chasing wildlife to survive, I would suspect some of those places would be reluctant to call the owner if the dog had a collar with tag to return it. Even if they do, the owner has to drive an hour and a half to get it back.
Thanks,
Jack
Links to well designed research, please....
Seems to me dogs have been running deer, legally, in Virginia since the beginning of time, yet, as it seems to me, the only way deer populations here are kept in check is by disease, car-deer collisions, and extended either-sex hunting days. I've never heard of of what you are suggesting. Your perception? Perhaps.
But I have an open mind....to science.
Sometimes, most times, you are so damn logical, accommodating, and sensible my hope for humanity is restored.....and then I read everything else opinion based.
OK. Well, it was a compliment....Makes the world spin round, i guess...
Good thing opinions are just that. Opinions. We're all allowed to have em. Even the wrong ones.
I myself have been thinking of planting something along the property line maybe some type of spruce or cedar tree...to block out views...do you know of anything that would grow in shade ?
We had a TV hunter lease land next to where we hunt. He'd walk the line and chew out our guys when we hunted to close to the line for his liking. But he did the same.
It was vague. Or my comprehension was lacking. But thanks.OK. Well, it was a compliment....