Crash Course on GRIN ordering?

[buckvelvet]

Matt did you do any red fleshed varieties? They have a pretty darn good selection, i know we've discussed this topic before, I'm gonna get 2 or 3 to try.

 

[buckvelvet]

My order for spring 2016. Hope it goes as smoothly as last spring
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Any particular reason why you chose what you did? Just for mostly my own curiosity and research sake as I continue to make my list.

 

[buckvelvet]

Thanks, still learning on the fly over here, appreciate the response.

 

[CrazyEd]

Matt did you do any red fleshed varieties? They have a pretty darn good selection, i know we've discussed this topic before, I'm gonna get 2 or 3 to try.

Maybe? I do have at least one or two already grafted in my nursery already. I have both Hidden Rose and Scarlett Surprise, I believe both are red flesh. Honestly I just went to Wallace Woodstock who has a huge list of crabs that looked solid then i went out on GRIN and found them. I also grabbed a few that greyphase researched that were good Canadian hardy or persistent hanging crabs.

 

[NY_Terrence]

Smsmith - I ordered black gillyflower in my grin order this past winter. Grafted one. It is approx 32" tall and doing well.

 

[sandbur]

My order for spring 2016. Hope it goes as smoothly as last spring
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I'm looking at Northland, also. Not much information is available on it for disease?

 

[greyphase]

Using the latest scientific methods available (eeny, meeny ,miny, moe:D) I submitted my Grin order this morning.
4 of the Kazakhstan varieties: all Very fire blight resistant
613988
613990
613991
614000
Scarlet Nonpareil: Very fire blight resistant, harvest late to very late, old English variety flavor sub-acid rich
Greenmeadows Cox's Orange: Very fire blight resistant New Zealand variety
Lord Lambourne: One of Stephen Hays (of You tube fame) favorites high quality dessert apple very fire blight susceptible
Clear Gold: Very fire blight resistant limb mutation of Golden Delicious tree vigor, hardy, productivity good
Weidner's Goldreinette: light to medium fire blight rating, German apple flavor rich sweet subacid harvest late to very late
Crandall: fire blight susceptible, other diseases fairly resistant, early bearing

 

[chickenlittle]

I bud grafted kaz 613988 and 613986 onto a couple rootstocks last week.

 

[buckvelvet]

A guy in zone 5 or 6 really has an almost unlimited number of varieties to grow.

Thats the main reason why I'm struggling making my choices.

 

[sandbur]

Thats the main reason why I'm struggling making my choices.[/QU

It sounds like it is both scab and FB susceptible, but I'm giving it a shot. I won't need 2 sticks of it though, if you want one its yours.

I am thinking of bench grafting one scion and then tackling some of these flowering crabs with multiple varieties on cleftt grafts.
Np khazik's this year, Stu?

 

[sandbur]

I got one kazak variety Art .....MN 80-16-18. Any of the Malus sieversii varieties are kazaks

I have 613975 on the list, but keep changing my mind. Some of the SoDak apples also look interesting. They say hardy, but what is hardy for us and them??

 

[sandbur]

^^^we don't know until we try them. For that matter is what is hardy for me hardy for you (or vice versa)?

From my list, Gourmet pear and Wakapala (you found that one) are both from SD

I found that pear??

You grow the pears and I will come over and pick them and eat them.

Did you decide to try that crab apple Tolman cross?

Hardiness- CAR is a concern for me that it stresses trees and they might then die during winter. I guess the only way to find out is to try them. Little information is available.

 

[chickenlittle]

That looks like a good one to me

Maybe I am overly conservative on the fireblight rating but that would keep me from selecting that one. Some named varieties I have do have poor ratings but I am reluctant to add more. Most of cider apples on GRIN have high fireblight ratings so I'll skip them for now.

 

[chickenlittle]

They have fireblight bloom data on many fewer trees in general. I'd guess because it is more rare. Only in bloom for a short time vs long period that shoots can pick up infection. Earlier blooming varieties less likely to be blooming when fireblight is active too.

 

[chickenlittle]

I would guess that has to do with funding, staffing, and time. The one I looked up said received in 2007 by Geneva. Probably only a couple seasons of fruiting on them. They will get to them eventually but might need an extra grad student one summer to get it done. In the mean time, assume that only the promising ones were sent to Geneva..

You might try the Minn team directly to see if they have more info on them. Probably report and photos somewhere.

 

[buckvelvet]

Here's my 2016 Grin Order! Some crabs that I don't often see and some old varieties i'm quite excited about, can't wait to graft these. I have quite a list to gather from ya'll as well. 2016 grafting is gonna be epic!

 

[chickenlittle]

How many rootstock are you going to graft with each variety?

 

[sandbur]

No, you found Wakapala....which is the crab/Tolman cross ;) I'm more concerned about apple scab and FB stressing the trees and leading to winter damage/death.

If you start digging through the apples, you'll find the vast majority have at least moderate susceptibility to FB shoot damage and not many have low susceptibility to FB bloom damage. I don't see central MN as a "hot bed" for FB though. Its not like we're in the SE US

All these comments about fireblight and nothing about CAR on GRIN.

 

[chickenlittle]

You can search for them but they don't collect information on scab, rusts, mildew, canker, etc. in their observations.

 

[Turkey Creek]

^^^we don't know until we try them. For that matter is what is hardy for me hardy for you (or vice versa)?

From my list, Gourmet pear and Wakapala (you found that one) are both from SD

I grew Gourmet this year. They are some of my slowest growing grafts. You might try Luscious instead, it is a SD originating pear tree that has grown strong for me. I have number of other reportedly cold hardy pears I grafted from GRIN this spring.