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wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
The WI DNR has been doing these types of things for years, before the internet they would send huge paper questionnaires to select hunters each year to fill out and mail back to the state. I have filled out probably 20 of these internet surveys in the last 3 years or so. I hope the MDC "listens" to their constituency at least as well or better than the WI DNR. Many of the surveys dealing with specific issues now are cleverly worded to lead the survey taker to "lean" towards the DNR's rhetoric anyway, which makes them almost useless. Ones like the survey posted above are great for the DNR's to gather information on how best to communicate with the sportsmen and to see what services they are using or would like to see available in the future. Hopefully the MDC will keep the lines of communication open and actually use the info as it was intended.
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
No, you really don't want that John, as much as you talk a good game. That is where your mistrust starts, when they come out and ask for opinions and suggestions and then don't listen, no matter how good of a job they are doing, the majority of folks will feel slighted and will eventually become angry. You want them to keep doing exactly what they are doing now, managing wildlife the way it is supposed to be managed, and asking the sportsmen if there is any way to improve on an already good thing. You don't want them putting up surveys and ignoring the masses or you will turn into WI and the mistrust is very hard to overcome no matter how much "good" they seem to be doing. If they are going to ignore the results, it is better that they not post a survey at all and just go about their daily business as usual, which no one seems to have issue with anyway.
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
No, what I meant was you don't want the MDC to start ignoring the survey results that they asked the public for. I'm sure there are folks in MO somewhere that have some type of issue with something the MDC is doing. Someone is bitching about something, somewhere, it's just human nature. We all know you can't please everyone, all the time, so if the MDC continues to gather this survey info and put it to good use so those folks that do have some type of issue see that the MDC is recognizing their problems and not ignoring them, it fosters a better all around relationship with the masses. Here in WI the DNR does not have that type of trusting relationship with our sportsmen, due to too many years of being ignored and not having their issues addressed. Hell, I think the MDC is one of, if not the best, wildlife agencies in the US. They were even on my short list of agencies to work for had I choose to pursue a career in the area of wildlife management when I got out of high school. Unfortunately for me the need for a full time job at the time and then a wife and kids got in the way of that.
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Bill
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Jury is out with me.
Last year they asked us a bunch of ?'s
My hot buttons were moving the firearm season out of the rut and doing away with a 10 day doe season because you could still shoot does during the 10 day rifle buck season. If memory serves me, both were approved by the masses but I haven't seen those reg changes on paper yet.
Then there's the handling of CWD zones. Jury's out on that.
Time will tell.
Historically though I have to say MDC has done a great job!
Last year they asked us a bunch of ?'s
My hot buttons were moving the firearm season out of the rut and doing away with a 10 day doe season because you could still shoot does during the 10 day rifle buck season. If memory serves me, both were approved by the masses but I haven't seen those reg changes on paper yet.
Then there's the handling of CWD zones. Jury's out on that.
Time will tell.
Historically though I have to say MDC has done a great job!
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
Unless you were to come up with a massive outbreak of CWD(knock on wood), I don't think you will have to worry about the MDC doing anything too drastic. They know they have a good thing down there and they aren't the type of agency to "f" that up. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just maintain open dialog with the sportsmen and capitalize on the fact that the winters don't jack up your deer herds(numbers or antler production wise) the way they do up here.
Jordan Selsor
5 year old buck +
Here in Mo we don't cry about s***. This is the show me state. We make things happen an expect results! MDC works for us an they convey that message through their actions;)
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Jordan Selsor
5 year old buck +
I used to want to move the firearm season out of the rut but the more I think about it I think that's selfish on my part. Some dont have the time to bowhunt an simply enjoy rifle hunting. Why not give them the opportunity to hunt during the best time of the year? Just because I take hunting more seriously than most doesn't mean Im more entitled to killing a mature buck than anyone else that hunts Mo. I would like to see state wide antler point restriction. Same rules apply to everyone. Teaches people trigger management and steers away from the "if its brown its down" mentality. MDC was asked to limit doe harvest in some areas and thats exactly what they did. That earned my trust.
Bill
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You're probably right it is selfish. But hey, I still want it :)
And not knocking MDC. I like hearing from them and I really like our Warden. Got him on speed dial and it's nice that he knows me by name.
bwoods11
5 year old buck +
When I think about APR in MN, you could always look at it and say well the---- shoot anything that moves guys--- have been in control for decades and look at the results. Give APR a 5 year window of opportunity and see if it works. Selfish, no, fair yes. We have had to put up with their destructive hunting practice, time for reversal of fortune?
It may not work in every hunting zone or county, but it would work very well in certain areas or counties.
It may not work in every hunting zone or county, but it would work very well in certain areas or counties.
Jordan Selsor
5 year old buck +
I feel APR with limited doe harvest "helps" maintain a balanced herd. With the exception of youth hunters. This educates hunters and is just all around good sound WT management IMO. It most Definatly increases the amount of mature bucks that make it through the season. This draws attention from out of state hunters generating revenue that stimulates the Econmy but doesn't emphasize trophy hunting to an extreme. Also teaches us trigger finger managment making is more observant ethical hunters. Like mentioned above seems to kick the "if it's brown it's down" mentality
Moving rifle season out of the rut would help more bucks reach maturity as well. An honestly I would like this But to say a select group of people get to experience rut hunting is selfish in my mind. Mo having rifle season during the rut also draws out of state hunters stimulating econmy.
Many serious mo hunters wish we would model Iowa's managment practices but I'm glad we march to the beat of our own drum. As much as I like chasing monster bucks I think putting an emphasis on preserving the hunting heratage is more important than trophy hunting. JMHO.
