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Stock Market is the bottom in?

Tried ordered dakota gold the other day. Order got cancelled, wen t up too much from overnight. Got paid today, so I scooped up a dozen of that. Some VXUS and the remainder in CEF. Ordered archrock to see how they do. Probably should of got SLM instead for rebuilding oil/gas stuff blown up in the the gulf.

Ajinimoto and AMD doing well during this yoyo ride. Thinking of keeping CVX. Was up $45 for me a day or two ago. Only $30 up or so a share. Maybe owning a few rockerfeller aristocrat stocks isnt a horrible idea. 2 or 3 ETF's I have got chevron in their top 10.
 
? For the guys with a 401, roth ira and brokerage account.

If you are unable to max out the roth ira is there any reason to be buying into a brokerage?

I have been buying more speculative in my brokerage to hold, think nuclear, biotech, drone, solid divi payout in my roth ira and pure growth into my roth 401..

Am I spreading myself to thin and should I just dump all remaining in my roth ira?

Sorry if this is basic stuff. Just diving deeper into the investment world. Was a long time set and forget.

Hope everyone is doing well. Been awhile since I've checked in. Was blessed to have another baby girl join the family a year ago and time is flying.

Edit: to change roth 401 to roth ira
 
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Ha Ha, I thought it looked pretty attractive. And I think that is the way of the future to power these AI centers
That's why TMI is re-tooling. Nukes are carbon-zero, and we get decades of power from a relatively small amount of fuel.
 
Alot of better folks than me. Here's what I do with my 457k, which is very similar to a 401k.

Nothing wrong with different things in different places. Who knows every giants fall. Not sure if prudentials fails, what happens to one of their ETF funds. IF you got money in fidelity, then nothing happens that money. Blackrock got a little sketchy the other day.....

You got options in what to invest in a borker's 401K. Some places limit what you have as options. But, keep an eye out on their menu's. I moved some money early in the year to international ETF's, which for some reason are dropping less. Thought the oil would effect asia / europe more. Some of those slot retirments are good, some are ehh.

My T rowe price has 20 different things. They bring you the plate..... You go up to the table yourself, everything looks good. Then a while later your stomache turns sour. IF you're playing with money on your own, make sure its play money.

I keep my retirement and play money separate. Folks are winning, folks are losing. More or less, the pro's are they to make your money look good, so they get other people's money. ETF's maintenance fees can be higher with some, but some are actively working the cocktail. Some are setting a footprint of stocks and sitting it out. Dodge and cox's international fund is pricey far as maintenance fees, but they earn their keep the past few years.
 
? For the guys with a 401, roth ira and brokerage account.

If you are unable to max out the roth ira is there any reason to be buying into a brokerage?

I have been buying more speculative in my brokerage to hold, think nuclear, biotech, drone, solid divi payout in my roth 401 and pure growth into my roth 401..

Am I spreading myself to thin and should I just dump all remaining in my roth ira?

Sorry if this is basic stuff. Just diving deeper into the investment world. Was a long time set and forget.

Hope everyone is doing well. Been awhile since I've checked in. Was blessed to have another baby girl join the family a year ago and time is flying.
Brokerage is king for those who plan to retire early. Tax flexibility is the biggest benefit, no age limit penalties for withdrawal are another.

Here is how I prioritize my savings for my planned early retirement-
1. Roth 401k up to the employer match to get free money
2. Roth IRA backdoor on Jan 1
3a. Brokerage
3b. HSA
5. Continue to the max on 401k
 
If you are younger and making less than $150K, I agree with @Brian662, but if you are in your late 50's like me, I would invest differently. The one thing we do not do is and HSA, but that is a good path to take if you will use the funds.
 
Hit that Roth. Governme.t is starting to crimp down on roths for folks making over 150k for their careers.

Inside your 401k, watch your investments. My old boss got a rip to convert his 401k to a money market/ stable money before the 2008 crash. Then when stuff was cheap and ge had his value, hewent into the usual stock meddlys they offer. Easily benefited 300k short term with 5 minutes of work on the computer.

It's your money and future watch it.
 
GLPI

I like it at $44 and under !

7% dividend. REIT that owns casinos and resorts across the US….

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Might be a good year for that stock. Domestic travle will be pretty good this year. Venezuela / Cuba scare over the winter, terrorist threats from Iran. Covid isn't too distant memory for some either, expecially older folks.

Heard GE Verona's 300mw reactor is going to be installed in Canada. Been wanting to buy GE anyways. Watching the price.

For you day trader folks, do you rent out your stocks? Thinking of getting 100 of something to do calls with. Volitile small ones like dakot gold or bigbearAI, general large cap stuff like chevron or prudential. Oddball sizes a bit better like 200 vs 100?
 
? For the guys with a 401, roth ira and brokerage account.

If you are unable to max out the roth ira is there any reason to be buying into a brokerage?

I have been buying more speculative in my brokerage to hold, think nuclear, biotech, drone, solid divi payout in my roth ira and pure growth into my roth 401..

Am I spreading myself to thin and should I just dump all remaining in my roth ira?

Sorry if this is basic stuff. Just diving deeper into the investment world. Was a long time set and forget.

Hope everyone is doing well. Been awhile since I've checked in. Was blessed to have another baby girl join the family a year ago and time is flying.

Edit: to change roth 401 to roth ira
There is, and it's two big things. You have to design for how you want your withdrawal and tax strategy to look when you're ready to start taking out later in life. First is tax balance. I aim for a mix of tax now, tax later, and tax all along (plain brokerage). Know your asset distribution and keep it in balance. What is the balance, I don't know. For me, a good balance would be:

60% roth ira and roth 401k
20% traditional ira, traditional 401k, HSA
20% plain taxable investments

If you have balance of some sort like that, you can live and operate in a higher tax bracket and pay taxes in a lower bracket. You also have options when you need to take a big distribution for somethink like a vehicle, roof, windows, siding, remodel, big travel. This also can net you big gains in real estate later in life because you can live in a non-destination-states where property is generally more affordable vs retiree states. In MN, you can get an isolated 80 acre farm for what people are paying for townhomes and condos in florida, texas, or arizona. If you carry all your tax burden into retirement, you either pay, or you have to run for your life.

The other consideration is timing. When do you want to quit, and how can you keep your options open if your ship comes in, or you're forced out early?

You can pull from taxable investments whenever you want, and at least some of it will be tax free to get out because there is principle. If you're looking good at 50, you can start idling back, take a simpler job, and start using dividends to supplement your income, and if planned well, you've shed or reduced your debt payment burdens.

Have a 401k, because if you leave your job at 55, you can begin pulling from there without penalty. There are some additional rules, but it's a lesser knowing option. You don't have to wait until 59 1/2 for an IRA to come penalty free.

IRAs mature at 59 1/2, that's pretty simple.

Throw in SS at 62.

At 65, you can begin using your HSA dollars for whatever you want penalty free.

Lastly, if you are healthy and wealthy enough, max out your HSA, never use it for healthcare, and invest it aggressively. Pay your lifelong expenses out of pocket and keep a running total of what you spend. You can "reimburse" yourself when you need to, and that can go back an unlimited amount of years. I keep a running total so I know I'm building a reserve of tax free dollars I can pull out of the HSA whenever I need to or want to.

Your HSA can really become a super unrestricted roth when you do that. Every chiropractor, doctor visit, teeth cleaning, kickball injury, wisdom teeth. Every expense you pay out of pocket becomes a tax free pool within your HSA. Nobody counts this, but that's what it is. I'm blessed to not have a huge built up tax free reserve, but it goes up a little every year. Maybe by the time I'm ready to pull the plug, I can meter out my tax free HSA pool over the number of years I need to coast into age 55.
 
Thz everyone for the advice. Decided to dial back my 401 by 6% was up to 22 total cause I didn't understand all the differnt avenues and limitations with each.

Gunna dump that extra into roth ira to hit the limit than any spillover or extra will go into the brokerage.

Goal is to be done at 55 or 57 if I can make it work. 38 now.

Also finally convinced the wife we need to start attacking the principle on the mortgage. Although only 5% interest. Don't like having payments and this would free up more when I get to the point I can hit the roth 401 catch up contribution stage.

Wish I would of started this 8 years ago.
 
Thz everyone for the advice. Decided to dial back my 401 by 6% was up to 22 total cause I didn't understand all the differnt avenues and limitations with each.

Gunna dump that extra into roth ira to hit the limit than any spillover or extra will go into the brokerage.

Goal is to be done at 55 or 57 if I can make it work. 38 now.

Also finally convinced the wife we need to start attacking the principle on the mortgage. Although only 5% interest. Don't like having payments and this would free up more when I get to the point I can hit the roth 401 catch up contribution stage.

Wish I would have started this 8 years ago.
That would be a nice age to retire ! I’d love to retire but need another 5-7 yrs? Maybe more ?

My problem is I want more stuff (land etc..) otherwise if I could dial it back I’d retire.

Having a goal like that is smart. ! Good luck ..
 
Thz everyone for the advice. Decided to dial back my 401 by 6% was up to 22 total cause I didn't understand all the differnt avenues and limitations with each.

Gunna dump that extra into roth ira to hit the limit than any spillover or extra will go into the brokerage.

Goal is to be done at 55 or 57 if I can make it work. 38 now.

Also finally convinced the wife we need to start attacking the principle on the mortgage. Although only 5% interest. Don't like having payments and this would free up more when I get to the point I can hit the roth 401 catch up contribution stage.

Wish I would of started this 8 years ago.
Keep in mind your home's intrest is tax deductible. So, it's more like 3% because of the tax rebate. IT is still money out of your pocket. But, if you got a 5% car loan, thats eating your wallet harder.
 
And just confirming @trampledbyturtles- your employer doesn’t match your 401k correct?

I think the info SD posted about taxes is great info but if your employer matches, to me I would max that first.
 
@Westwind Employer does match up to 5%. Which is nice but it has to go into tradional vs roth. Which is something I will have to deal with in the future. Can due a roth conversion at this time. But am thinking it might be nice to have some tax write off in the future. So not sure on that. Open to suggestions.

@bigboreblr. Vehicles are all paid off at the moment. Truck is getting up there in miles. But plan on running it till the wheels fall off, Ha. Currently saving up for the next one. Hoping that will be 3 years down the road. Would like to get the kids out of daycare first. That cost is eating us alive. Costs more than our mortgage.
 
I look at it this way- that 5% is an instant, guaranteed gain every time. Free money. And it contributes greatly to the magic formula of time and compounding.

I feel foggy today and my math sucks on a good day. Isn’t an employer match like a 50% gain in the market? If that is right, where else can you get a 50% guaranteed return?

I personally think maxing the matched contribution is job #1. When you get that rolling you expand your solutions.
 
Employer does match up to 5%. Which is nice but it has to go into tradional vs roth.

That's an immediate 100% return, which can continue to compound until RMD kicks in. It is an absolute slam dunk in the world of retirement planning. Worry about the taxes later.
 
See!!!! My math sucks, lol.

Don’t leave free money on the table. Make a 100% guaranteed overnight return. Let it compound over time. I do know that.
 
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@Westwind Employer does match up to 5%. Which is nice but it has to go into tradional vs roth. Which is something I will have to deal with in the future. Can due a roth conversion at this time. But am thinking it might be nice to have some tax write off in the future. So not sure on that. Open to suggestions.

@bigboreblr. Vehicles are all paid off at the moment. Truck is getting up there in miles. But plan on running it till the wheels fall off, Ha. Currently saving up for the next one. Hoping that will be 3 years down the road. Would like to get the kids out of daycare first. That cost is eating us alive. Costs more than our mortgage.
One thing you can also look for, and this is beginning to catch on, is an in-plan conversion in your 401k. This allows you to 'convert' some of your tax deferred employer match dollars to the roth side of your plan. That takes some planning and budgeting, but it can quickly help get your asset tax balance back in whack.


1. Find out if you can in your company plan. Typically, those dollars have to be fully vested to keep it all clean.

2. You have to know where your income will end up at the end of the year, and be careful not to cause yourself some tax bracket creep, because what you convert is added to taxable income for the year.

3. Figure out how much you can afford to pay in taxes, and then divide that amount by your marginal tax rate. For example, if you can absorb a $5,000 tax bill and your marginal tax rate is 25% between state and federal, $5,000 / 25% = $20,000 conversion.

4. There are creative ways to finance that tax bill too, if you have more tax bracket room to use than you have dollars to pay the tax bill to use it up. One idea is a 401k loan to spread the cost over extra years. Other than some small admin fees, your interest paid on the loan goes back in your own pocket in a typical 401k plan. There are some timing things to consider. If your 401k is down 10% like a lot are right now because the air is coming out of tech, you could also be locking in a loss by taking a loan at the wrong time.

5. However, notwithstanding what I just said in #4, a market pullback is a great time to do a big conversion as well, because you can get more dollars 'under the fence' vs when the market is high. I did this with individual stocks years back. TD used to let you pick what assets you wanted to convert. When a stock I held fell in value, I'd quick convert it because the quantity of shares was always the same, but if it fell in price, the toll to get it across was smaller.

6. Timing is everything. You can do one right now, and you do not have to pay the bill for 12 months and ten days. Get a second opinion on underpayment penalties for income tax before you do this. I've been in the tax business my whole life and I still don't understand under-payment penalty and exceptions. My point is, you can get the benefit of the conversion today, and due to the timing of the tax deadline, you can defer the bill for it for up to 15.5 months (if you do it on January 2nd). You may need to wait until late in the year to really know how much room you have left in your tax bracket to use.

7. Spread it over multiple tax years. If you have a stable forecast for income, you could do a multi-year budget and do 2026 now, and do 2027 on january 2nd.

It took me 5 tax years to get my biggest 401k converted entirely to roth (this was after I left, so it went to a roth IRA). I set my budget and chose to adjust my paycheck withholding to pay for it. I happened to have extra cash laying around, so I went big and as fast as I could without causing bracket creep. Best thing I ever did. I was way behind on roth assets, and now it's far and away my biggest asset of all my assets, and i'm well ahead of target for roth assets for my age.

Now the last step I've got to get built up is a 401k that stays a 401k so I can have the option of using those dollars at 55, and I've also got to build out other assets so I can get out before that even. I'm 43, so I've got a good amount of time to steer this thing to where it needs to be.
 
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