I got within about 40 feet of him. Took 2 hours to go from 30 yds to 12 yds of comfort. Then when I was done, he started following me. I was not getting the "EYE" from him, but he did make me nervous. The big ten point will give you the "EYE" when he is with a doe. More than once I have had to take evasive maneuvers or risked getting charged. You KNOW it when they mean business. Last year the big ten charged another photographer and stopped mere feet from him and backed away.