Steve Bartylla
5 year old buck +
Not sure where to put this, but figured this was as good a place as any, as it includes many of the things LC has written about and it is more a specialty thread. John, feel free to move it, if you feel there is a more appropriate location.
Anyway, this is something I promised Art, in the thread that got lost in the transition to the new system. It shows what I mean by creating sections on a property to help segregate bucks, increasing the property's ability to hold more bucks and deer in general.
If anyone remembers that thread, you may recall that I wrote something to the extent that there are fuzzy boundaries, as opposed to hard ones, and that I do tie them together.
If I recall correctly, this property is 320 acres. On it, I have 5 sections I created, each containing a food plot, water hole, apple trees and bedding areas. Now, I know as well as anyone that most bucks will move between sections and that just because I create 5 doesn't mean I will hold 5 dominant bucks. Creating more sections merely helps hold more than creating less.
Also, since those bucks will move between sections, particularly during the rut, I'm going to try to encourage how they move and use it to my advantage. Still, as mentioned in the old thread, 1 mature buck can't be at more than one fruit tree planting, water hole or food plot at once. So, having more than one gives another mature buck that either doesn't want to fight or has been driven off a place they can go and call home, at least while more dominant bucks aren't there.
I'll spare you and myself the detailed write up I do with these plans (typically between 8-12 pages). Here's a quick rundown of what the colors represent.
Red dots = stand locations.
Black dots = “planted” scrape trees.
Blue dots = water holes.
Thick light yellowish green lines = hinge cutting for deer travel corridors (sidewalks) and browse production.
Larger green ovals = doe bedding and browse production.
Smaller green ovals = buck beds where bucks are likely already bedding (lowest priority of everything).
Thin green lines = blockade/screens running along field and four for funneling.
Purple = brassicas, cereal rye, beans &/or winter pea rotation, top seeded with cereal rye and bin oats mix.
Blueish green rings = 10 yard wide swath of clover (and alfalfa, if soils allow)
Red bands = Apple tree plantings.
Dark green lines through food plot and along field edge = Norway spruce plantings to serve as screens
I do have 2 stands inside of what I'd consider the sanctuary (both inside the woods on the point running to the south. I'd hope I never had to hunt them and wouldn't hunt both of them together more than 2 times a season, when everything was "perfect" and I just didn't believe I could get it done from anything outside the outer most "sidewalks." When I did hunt either of them, I'd go in predawn and hunt until I killed or after dark the coming evening. that said, between the strategic placement of the "sidewalks" and the "funnels" I made with blockades, you can see that I can essentially hunt deep woods like setups, while barely entering the woods.
I should also explain that the reason behind the spruce planting and screen/blockade along the top field is to allow hidden entry and exit.
Note that I did nothing along the southeast side or the bottom below it. Deer use it naturally as is. At the same time, it's flat out impossible to access that bottom without having the deer on the side hill watch you from their beds. So, I would not improve it more than creating sidewalks and try to draw them to be killed in the improved areas, instead.
Finally, if I was in a situation like Art or Stu, where I had pitifully few deer to hunt, I'd still make this plan before doing any improvements. I just wouldn't put in more than 2 of the food plot/fruit tree/water hole locations, max, until my populations started to rebound. As it did, I'd add more of them as the population needed. Doing all this under pitifully low deer numbers would make no sense and make hunting harder. However, planning for it up front would allow me to piece it together much more effectively than if I just planned for low deer numbers without knowing how I'd expand it as numbers grew.
I'll try to check this off and on to answer and ?s or explain the thought process I used. I'm sure not pretending this is the only way to skin a cat. It's just the way I personally felt was best.
Anyway, this is something I promised Art, in the thread that got lost in the transition to the new system. It shows what I mean by creating sections on a property to help segregate bucks, increasing the property's ability to hold more bucks and deer in general.
If anyone remembers that thread, you may recall that I wrote something to the extent that there are fuzzy boundaries, as opposed to hard ones, and that I do tie them together.
If I recall correctly, this property is 320 acres. On it, I have 5 sections I created, each containing a food plot, water hole, apple trees and bedding areas. Now, I know as well as anyone that most bucks will move between sections and that just because I create 5 doesn't mean I will hold 5 dominant bucks. Creating more sections merely helps hold more than creating less.
Also, since those bucks will move between sections, particularly during the rut, I'm going to try to encourage how they move and use it to my advantage. Still, as mentioned in the old thread, 1 mature buck can't be at more than one fruit tree planting, water hole or food plot at once. So, having more than one gives another mature buck that either doesn't want to fight or has been driven off a place they can go and call home, at least while more dominant bucks aren't there.
I'll spare you and myself the detailed write up I do with these plans (typically between 8-12 pages). Here's a quick rundown of what the colors represent.
Red dots = stand locations.
Black dots = “planted” scrape trees.
Blue dots = water holes.
Thick light yellowish green lines = hinge cutting for deer travel corridors (sidewalks) and browse production.
Larger green ovals = doe bedding and browse production.
Smaller green ovals = buck beds where bucks are likely already bedding (lowest priority of everything).
Thin green lines = blockade/screens running along field and four for funneling.
Purple = brassicas, cereal rye, beans &/or winter pea rotation, top seeded with cereal rye and bin oats mix.
Blueish green rings = 10 yard wide swath of clover (and alfalfa, if soils allow)
Red bands = Apple tree plantings.
Dark green lines through food plot and along field edge = Norway spruce plantings to serve as screens
I do have 2 stands inside of what I'd consider the sanctuary (both inside the woods on the point running to the south. I'd hope I never had to hunt them and wouldn't hunt both of them together more than 2 times a season, when everything was "perfect" and I just didn't believe I could get it done from anything outside the outer most "sidewalks." When I did hunt either of them, I'd go in predawn and hunt until I killed or after dark the coming evening. that said, between the strategic placement of the "sidewalks" and the "funnels" I made with blockades, you can see that I can essentially hunt deep woods like setups, while barely entering the woods.
I should also explain that the reason behind the spruce planting and screen/blockade along the top field is to allow hidden entry and exit.
Note that I did nothing along the southeast side or the bottom below it. Deer use it naturally as is. At the same time, it's flat out impossible to access that bottom without having the deer on the side hill watch you from their beds. So, I would not improve it more than creating sidewalks and try to draw them to be killed in the improved areas, instead.
Finally, if I was in a situation like Art or Stu, where I had pitifully few deer to hunt, I'd still make this plan before doing any improvements. I just wouldn't put in more than 2 of the food plot/fruit tree/water hole locations, max, until my populations started to rebound. As it did, I'd add more of them as the population needed. Doing all this under pitifully low deer numbers would make no sense and make hunting harder. However, planning for it up front would allow me to piece it together much more effectively than if I just planned for low deer numbers without knowing how I'd expand it as numbers grew.
I'll try to check this off and on to answer and ?s or explain the thought process I used. I'm sure not pretending this is the only way to skin a cat. It's just the way I personally felt was best.
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