OAKS
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yoderjac
5 year old buck +
If you are looking for a fast producer, you might consider Dwarf Chinquapin Oaks (DCO). They are in the white oak family (generally favored over red oaks due to lower tannin content). There tend to be more of a shrub or bush form but produce reliably and earlier than most white oaks. I'm just starting with mine. I started some from nuts this spring. They were a bit challenging to germinate but once they got started have been doing very well. I posted this pic on another thread but can't find it right now so here it is again:
Thanks,
Jack
Thanks,
Jack
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Good question. I transferred a thread form the other site with details on growing them: http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.p...-from-seed-transferred-from-qdma-forums.5721/ It is a long thread, but I think there may be a source for nuts in there somewhere. Hopefully someone over here knows a good source. For seedlings you may try The Wildlife Group. I think they sell seedlings.
I was posting to another forum specifically dedicated to fruit and nut trees (mostly for people) and one of the guys on that forum bought more DCO nuts than he could handle so he sold me his left overs.
Thanks,
jack
j-bird
Moderator
SWO's native range is much smaller than that of WO. Without knowing where you are located that alone may make a significant difference. I also think WO is far more flexible as far as soils and the like are concerned. I'm not sure either will produce any faster than the other. For those reasons I would lean heavily toward WO.....you could plant some SWO in lower areas if you have that habitat or your in it's native range. Just my opinion.
I have not seen DCO available thru our state nursery (I'm a fellow Hoosier) as they are not a native tree. I somehow screwed up the post and somehow duplicated your thread.....not sure how that happened.....contact Bill and he can delete the other one.
Since I now see your in IN - I would limit SWO to bottom land type habitats - other wise plant basic white oaks. State nursery has 100 bare roots trees for like $35 if you order them this fall they will be available next spring.
I have not seen DCO available thru our state nursery (I'm a fellow Hoosier) as they are not a native tree. I somehow screwed up the post and somehow duplicated your thread.....not sure how that happened.....contact Bill and he can delete the other one.
Since I now see your in IN - I would limit SWO to bottom land type habitats - other wise plant basic white oaks. State nursery has 100 bare roots trees for like $35 if you order them this fall they will be available next spring.
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Here is a range map for DCO as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_prinoides#/media/File:Quercus_prinoides_range_map.png
While I find most of the times to fruit claims of nurseries optimistic at best, the wildlife group suggests they can produce acorns in 3-5 years. This is much faster than my many native varieties which can take 20 years to produce.
Another option (but not native) is sawtooth oak. They are fast to production compared to my native trees, but I stopped using them for attraction several years ago. It is because they all dropped in September and the acorns were eaten before our season. Since I've learned there are several strains, some of which drop later. Some folks claim to have them holding until November.
Just options to consider.
Thanks,
Jack
While I find most of the times to fruit claims of nurseries optimistic at best, the wildlife group suggests they can produce acorns in 3-5 years. This is much faster than my many native varieties which can take 20 years to produce.
Another option (but not native) is sawtooth oak. They are fast to production compared to my native trees, but I stopped using them for attraction several years ago. It is because they all dropped in September and the acorns were eaten before our season. Since I've learned there are several strains, some of which drop later. Some folks claim to have them holding until November.
Just options to consider.
Thanks,
Jack
scott44
5 year old buck +
You might want to check out hybrids, some will have acorns sooner.
http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/swamp-hybrid-bur-oaks.5601/
http://www.habitat-talk.com/index.php?threads/swamp-hybrid-bur-oaks.5601/
j-bird
Moderator
Indiana Division of forestry considers DCO a non-native and as such they don't provide them or promote the use of them here in IN. Not saying it's a bad thing.... From what I have read DCO are fast to produce and the critters like the acorns.....I read some place that the quick growth of the tree also means they are not nearly as long lived as a regular oak.....not sure....just what I have read. They also are not good timber trees, but many that are planting now will never see the timber value of an oak as it is.
As far as WO or SWO I think WO is more adaptable, but if you got some bottom ground then the SWO may be a viable option for you as well. Try both and see what happens. I know bur oak and native chinkapin oak grows well in my area. Both are members of the white oak family and the deer like them as well. Mine seem to like the more upland type sites as well. Chinkapin in particular drop early in the fall and are small so many critters like them.....especially turkey. Bur oak acorns can get the size of a golf ball.
As far as WO or SWO I think WO is more adaptable, but if you got some bottom ground then the SWO may be a viable option for you as well. Try both and see what happens. I know bur oak and native chinkapin oak grows well in my area. Both are members of the white oak family and the deer like them as well. Mine seem to like the more upland type sites as well. Chinkapin in particular drop early in the fall and are small so many critters like them.....especially turkey. Bur oak acorns can get the size of a golf ball.
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
I would second the use of hybrids, especially any of the ones that occur naturally in your area. In the Midwest, it is hard to beat Schuette's oaks, they are a swamp white oak/bur oak hybrid that was first found growing in northern WI in the late 1800's by botonist J.H. Schuette.
Neahawg
5 year old buck +
If anything look at the Missouri department of conservation. They sell bare root trees pretty cheap and ship out of state. You could try some of each fairly cheap and see what works for you. Swamp white oak, swamp chestnut oak, chinkapin oak, and white oak, and burr will all grow in your area.
I have been impressed with burr oaks ability to survive in any soil from ridge top to bottom land.
I have been impressed with burr oaks ability to survive in any soil from ridge top to bottom land.
Bszweda
5 year old buck +
+1 if I had to do it over. I'd get 3 or 4 footers
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
That could well be. Sometimes these range maps are wrong. My interest in them is for wildlife, not timber, but you make a good point. Great reason why folks need to set their overall objectives and then pick trees that meet them.
Thanks,
jack
I called Indiana state nursery and order burr ,white ,swamp chinkapin
j-bird
Moderator
That's a pretty good selection of white oaks for our area. Normally they don;t open ordering until later I thought......you just gave them a call?
