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Minnesota is a national embarrassment.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
That’s what I keep going back to. One side is literally trying to uphold the law and make this country safer. The other is sewing chaos and I guess advocating for criminals, and some real monsters at that. It’s confusing to me that we’ve arrived here. But here we are. How does it end? I have a feeling not well cause the two sides are so far apart it’s not like they can meet on the middle
I still haven't seen one valid reason that the protestors are protecting violent criminals.
Are illegals there working honest jobs, yes. They may be overlooked if the local politicians and protestors let/cooperated with the CBP, ICE and Minnesota law enforcement remove the already identified criminal illegals.
I'm pretty sure that if the violent criminals were removed CBP/ICE would move on to the next major nest of violent criminals.
Are illegals there working honest jobs, yes. They may be overlooked if the local politicians and protestors let/cooperated with the CBP, ICE and Minnesota law enforcement remove the already identified criminal illegals.
I'm pretty sure that if the violent criminals were removed CBP/ICE would move on to the next major nest of violent criminals.
Bill
Administrator
Exactly. I’ve watched zero videos on the subject. But I’m on the side of ICE. They’re doing their job. Protestors are just idiots causing mayhem. And most of the country realize it’s the same scum that burned the place when George Floyd overdosed.
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
Stated goal of ICE is good. When you have to lie about what the world can plainly see happened, start saying ignorant things about the 2nd amendment, and generally start acting like Bolsheviks it’s hard to keep claiming “good guys” status.
Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
People aren't even questioning if Noem, Patel, et al are lying when there are multiple camera angles refuting the narrative they are trying to create. There are people not even questioning it because the second a lie is acknowledged, they might have to recognize other lies might exist. Tribalism is a hell of a drug.
"The party told you to reject your eyes and ears, it was their final, most essential command." We have skipped this step because there are people refusing to even use their eyes and ears.
That's delusional, you purposefully don't want to see that people are harboring violent criminals, let alone that they are here illegally. Why do you support protecting violent criminals?
Protecting violent criminals is not peaceful protest, attacking and impeding law enforcement is not peaceful protest.
matinc
5 year old buck +
Why on earth does the land of 10000 snow flakes want to pay for 300 illegals in jails instead of handing them over? Ask your officials who are so pro environmental why they want more illegals in your state to use more water, run up housing costs and run cars which promotes global warming?
Telemark
5 year old buck +
Come on. This is not the same thing as Rittenhouse. Kyle was there do protect people and property from a violent mob, some of whom were armed, and was attacked by the violent mob. He never interfered with police and surrendered to police after the shooting.
This last guy who got shot was a a part of the mob, and he was armed, and he interfered with police and physically resisted, while armed.
Surely you see the difference.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
It's the damn Democrats who are telling us to reject our eyes and ears, and our common sense and rule of law.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
In wouldn't even call them protesters at this point. Anyone who interferes with official police business is a criminal.
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
There is a significant difference for sure. I dont consider trying to shield a woman much of physical resistance, especially when disoriented with a face full of pepper spray. I didn't see any sign of brandishing or reaching for it. No evidence anyone even knew he was armed until he was turtled and his shirt came up exposing it on the back of his hip. Different than open carrying an AR. And yes, i felt Kyles cause was just and was thrilled when he was exonerated and disagree with Alex's interference.
It's the claims I take issue with. Kash Patel saying "you cant have a gun at a protest" is some wild stuff.
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Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
I cant speak for @Hoytvectrix but i'd love it if the state would hand over everyone in custody that isn't here legally.
I'll give you an example of why the handling bothers me - Two of my closest friends send their kids to a spanish immersion daycare. One of the primary employees there's husband was detained 2 weeks and allegedly sent to TX. Word from daycare is that he had all his papers in order and was not a criminal. My gut reaction to all of this was "yeah, sure he was. Why would they bother with a productive dude with papers in order." But the guy is back home now one would think he wasn't too bad.
Then we see Bessent, Patel, DHS, etc coming out lying about what we can see happened with our own eyes. Saying it's illegal to have a gun at a protest, that he violently resisted, that he wanted to "inflict maximum damage and massacre law enforcement" because he had 2 magazines. It sounds like what Biden/Walz would say about Kyle Rittenhouse. When you openly make absurd statements like that it makes it a lot harder to dismiss all of the claims of legal citizens/immigrants being harassed and mistreated.
There's going to be resistance from the left against any immigration control no-matter how justified. But moving forward with seeming immunity and lying about what we can actually see happened gives me the heebie jeebies regardless of the fact that this is the side i voted for.
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
Regardless of feelings one way or another. I heard murmurs of folks from the left saying "we need to get armed". I'm sure this put a big pause in a lot of peoples considerations to show up at a protest while packing.
CCW course 101 - dont carry if you're going to put yourself in confrontations or if you're not ready to justifiably use it as its likely to make things much worse. Alex royally f'd up on that front.
CCW course 101 - dont carry if you're going to put yourself in confrontations or if you're not ready to justifiably use it as its likely to make things much worse. Alex royally f'd up on that front.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
Honestly, and I don't mean this in a rude way, but I feel like you are deliberately ignoring important facts because of your personal bias.
He should not have been interfering with the police. The best thing he could have done would be to film everything and get the lady's contact info, in case she felt her rights were violated. It is IDIOTIC to physically interfere with the police, and it is VERY likely to end badly. It's also ILLEGAL. He did all this while carrying a gun. He didn't brandish the gun, but it was exposed in the scuffle, which caused a tense situation to turn deadly. It is 100% his own fault for doing something so foolish. Yes, it's tragic, but the blame for the tragedy is squarely on those who interfered with the police.
There is nothing wrong with video recording the police from a reasonable distance, but physically engaging with police business is inviting problems.
EXACTLY! So why do you keep trying to defend him and make excuses for his idiotic behavior?
It doesn't seem like you are arguing in good faith. You are completely contradicting yourself. Are you just trolling?
Telemark
5 year old buck +
Prison. That's incitement.
Wind Gypsy
5 year old buck +
I'm not making excuses for him at all. Dude shouldn't have inserted himself, especially not with a concealed pistol on his person. But he wasn't violent and the entirety of resistance seemed to be in effort to protect the chick.
But on the flip side, for DHS to make a statement like they did, that "he approached officers with a 9mm, violently resisted, and wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement" is an obscene misrepresentation. In a world where its hard to trust anything you hear, to come out and make statements like that when the public has so many videos depicting what happened... You're eroding trust in the whole operation for one but also making extremely inflammatory claims about someone who video shows as not threatening at all.
Like they couldn't have just said "Alex was interfering with our operations and inserted himself into our pursuit while carrying a concealed weapon. In the struggle the presence of his weapon and communication about said weapon gave officers reason to fear for their life and they reacted with justified deadly force." People are going to be pissed but you cant fix that, you made a statement defensible by the facts. Instead they went full retard and said a bunch of shit that further erodes trust.
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Angus 1895
5 year old buck +
Why are these ICE officers wearing masks?
Are they scared of the Covid?
Are they scared of the Covid?