Herbicides I have used and rates

[omicron1792]

List of herbicides I use and rates I use. Compiled over time from labels, reading, advice, and mostly trial and error. Always read label and follow before using

The triclopyr, escort, milestone, veteran, and transline I use for my battle with kudzu and are highest label rates. Not to be used for other things at that rate.

Herbicides

*Clethodim 8-16oz/acre or 1oz/gallon
Consider mixing small amount of
glyphosate for clover
*Glyphosate. 2-3 quarts/acre or 4oz/gallon
*Triclopyr. 3-4 quarts/acre or 8oz/gallon
*Simazine. 2-4 quarts/acre or 5oz/gallon
*Atrazine. 2-4 quarts/acre or 5oz/gallon
Not good for indiangrass
*2-4D. 2-3 pints/acre or 2oz/gallon
*2-4DB. 2-3 quarts/acre or 3oz/gallon
Use 1.5 quarts/acre if mixing Clethodim
*Imox. 4oz/acre chicory. 6oz/acre
clover or alfalfa. Consider low dose of
Clethodim. Consider low dose 2-4DB on all
but chicory
Plateau. 8oz/acre or 1oz/gallon
Not good for switchgrass
*Escort 3-4 oz/acre or 0.4oz/gallon
Mix with 2-4D 2oz/gallon spot spray
kudzu
*Veteran 720. 2 gallon/acre or 8oz/gallon
Mix with Escort for kudzu
Transline. 21oz/acre or 1.5oz/gallon
Milestone. 7oz/acre or 0.5oz/gallon.
*mix with triclopyr 1 gallons/acre or
8oz/gallon for kudzu.
Spike 20p. 2-6lbs/acre.

*AMS liquid. 3 quarts/acre or 4oz/gallon
Clethodim/glyphosate/2-4 db/
triclopyr/simazine/MSM escort/imox
Add to water before herbicides

NIS 8 oz/acre or 15ml/gallon

Compatibility agent. 16oz/acre or 2oz/gallon
Put in after first herbicide

Mixing order
AMS solution
W: Wettable powders (all dry ingredients are added first to sprayer tank water)
A: Agitate thoroughly to ensure proper mixing.
L: Liquid flowables and suspensions are next.
E: Emulsifiers and concentrate formulations are added next.
S: Surfactant solutions are added last.

 

[Tree Spud]

Good info Omicron, thanks!

 

[DRG3]

Great information thank you! Can you please provide some examples of AMS brand or solution names as well as surfactant names.

Also- does AMS in the amounts specified change the PH level in a significant way? And is it worth that for Gly application specifically?

Thanks in advance

 

[omicron1792]

Check out my post in this thread. This is exact ones I use.

Butyrac 200. Clethodim, crop oil, AMS mix to spray on clover?

New member here but I've been food plotting for a few years. I've got a few acres of mixed clover that are getting a little weed infested. Sprayed Imazethapyr 2sl this spring and it did not work too well. Not sure if my sprayer wasn't spraying well that day or what. I definitely don't want...

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[omicron1792]

Great information thank you! Can you please provide some examples of AMS brand or solution names as well as surfactant names.

Also- does AMS in the amounts specified change the PH level in a significant way? And is it worth that for Gly application specifically?

Thanks in advance

So AMS works best in two situations. One is with weak acid herbicides. Gly is one of these. The other is when you have hard water, which lots of people deal with especially at farms.

The nitrogen in it also perks up plants to make them suck in herbicide better.

The list I have above has a * before any herbicide that does better with ams.

 

[DRG3]

great thank you. I very much deal with hard water, however, I am preparing to spray this weekend and have already mixed my tank. not really understanding the use of AMS. I'm assuming that based on the mix order- it's too late to do anything about this and it would be a waste to try and mix in the AMS since my gly is aready mixed with water. I did at least go with the 4 oz/gal mix, so that is good.

 

[omicron1792]

I’d be careful mixing early. Best to mix right before you spray. Probably too late for AMS.

Short answer is the calcium and such in water immediately ties up Gly and inactivates it. Similar to how Gly inactivates when it hits the soil.

 

[DRG3]

Thanks, that was the plan- but the best laid plans.......- I mixed last Saturday AM to spray, but then contrary to the forecast, rain moved in so I couldn't do it, and I can't spray again until this weekend. So it's going to sit for a week. Fortunately I didn't run any of my pumps, so it's just sitting in the tanks rather than in the sprayer parts.

Any tips or tricks i can try since this is the boat I am in, or just go for it and hope for the best. I can't see discarding 25 gallons of mix at 4 oz per gallon, but I also don't want to waste time either. open to suggestions or ideas for sure.

 

[omicron1792]

Thanks, that was the plan- but the best laid plans.......- I mixed last Saturday AM to spray, but then contrary to the forecast, rain moved in so I couldn't do it, and I can't spray again until this weekend. So it's going to sit for a week. Fortunately I didn't run any of my pumps, so it's just sitting in the tanks rather than in the sprayer parts.

Any tips or tricks i can try since this is the boat I am in, or just go for it and hope for the best. I can't see discarding 25 gallons of mix at 4 oz per gallon, but I also don't want to waste time either. open to suggestions or ideas for sure.

I would add Ams before turning on the agitator or shaking. Also might add some more Gly. Really no harm in making it hotter imo.

 

[DRG3]

I would add Ams before turning on the agitator or shaking. Also might add some more Gly. Really no harm in making it hotter imo.

Thanks! So just to clarify, I can go ahead and add the AMS even though it's already mixed? Is it likely to help? I can add the gly no problem. How much you think an additional oz per gallon?

 

[omicron1792]

Thanks! So just to clarify, I can go ahead and add the AMS even though it's already mixed? Is it likely to help? I can add the gly no problem. How much you think an additional oz per gallon?

All just guesses.

If you haven’t really mixed the Gly and water Ams might still have a benefit. Will still get benefit of nitrogen to help herbicide uptake by plants.

Maybe add one more quart of Gly. Just a guess and hedging. Again no real detriment to running Gly hot I can think of except expense of 1 quart of Gly, which is offset of loss of having to spray twice if first spray doesn’t work.

 

[DRG3]

All just guesses.

If you haven’t really mixed the Gly and water Ams might still have a benefit. Will still get benefit of nitrogen to help herbicide uptake by plants.

Maybe add one more quart of Gly. Just a guess and hedging. Again no real detriment to running Gly hot I can think of except expense of 1 quart of Gly, which is offset of loss of having to spray twice if first spray doesn’t work.

Understood and thank you. I hand mixed the gly and water in the tank, using my stir stick, but not running it through the sprayer. I then drove to my farm with it before the rain started LOL. I will go ahead and mix in another quart, I agree with you, I'd much rather do that, than have to redo everything. Thanks for the help!

Last question- is there any risk to my future food plot planting that will probably happen 3-4 weeks after spraying if I go hot on the mix?

 

[b116757]

My go to mix for Osage orange,honey locust, blackberry, multi floral rose and until bloom on Seresa Lespedeza.

1 gallon Tricopyr
16oz Milestone
1 quart surfactant
Per 100 gallons of water.

 

[omicron1792]

My go to mix for Osage orange,honey locust, blackberry, multi floral rose and until bloom on Seresa Lespedeza.

1 gallon Tricopyr
16oz Milestone
1 quart surfactant
Per 100 gallons of water.

Almost my exact mix for Kudzu, Except even go a little hotter. I don’t recommend it as hot as I used unless you want scorched earth.

 

[DRG3]

Just wanted to report back on this- a week ago today I sprayed with the roundup mix that I had to leave sitting for a week.
Like Omicron suggested I added about a pint more gly and went ahead and sprayed. I checked it today and can report that everything is brown and dying.
Thanks for all the help.
Looking back I see that o kind of hijacked this thread but it was very helpful and appreciated.

 

[Native Hunter]

Thanks for sharing this. Do you know of anything that could be use as a preemergent for smartweed in a chicory and clover plot?

 

[omicron1792]

Thanks for sharing this. Do you know of anything that could be use as a preemergent for smartweed in a chicory and clover plot?

Why yes I do.

Imazamox has a great pre and post affect. Trade names are raptor, imox, clearcast.

It’s expensive but you only need a small amount. Chicory limits you a little but can use 4oz/acre. With clover alone or clover alfalfa can use 6oz/acre.

If you spray right before spring green up it will last 3-4 Months, and then will be gone enough for cereal grain planting. Has much longer residual for some other things but if a clover/chicory plot with maybe grains you’re good to go.

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Point to note. Aquatic herbicides can almost always be used non aquatic. Buy if price is cheaper.

 

[omicron1792]

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I will often add Clethodim at lower dose (8-12oz/acre) and 2-4db at half rate (1-1.5 quarts/acre). Spray all three just after spring green up. Will nuke existing weeds and imox provides residual.

If really worries about your chicory then hold 2-4db. But you could also spray all three and 3 weeks later overseed with chicory before a rain.

Once plot is good and clean I just do the 4oz/acre of imox in spring and that’s it.

 

[DRG3]

On the IMOX- I have a 0.16 acre clover plot, that is just clover is there a more simple ML/gal of IMOX ratio since this is such a small plot?
OR- a quarter acre plot would get 1.5oz (6 oz acre rate)- so I guess my plot would get just under one ounce. I know that my sprayer will leave about 1.5 gallons of water in the tank when it loses prime. Any advice on how much water?

Any harm in spraying a first year clover planting?