Potter co notill
5 year old buck +
I have sorghum planted inter seeded with mammoth clover. I was wondering if I could spray 24DB to kill broadleaf like marestail that is coming up?
Herbicide question
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omicron1792
5 year old buck +
Yes.
Potter co notill
5 year old buck +
Do I need an AMS with it?
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
I would not in this one situation. Can make it too hot for clover you’re protecting.
bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
Throw some before and after pics. Im curious what 2,4db does with plantain. I like some in my plot. Sometimes its a bit too much. So some control isn't bad in here.
Some folks are hesitant with 2,4D and AMS. AMS does a few things, It neutralizes your calcum carbonate in your water, which mght be 1-5 gallons per 100 gallon of water. Then it makes the pH below 7 past that. Low pH is good for sotring your chemicals in water. Also, extra uncombined AMS in your spray netralizes calcium on the weed leaves themselves, thus freeing the herbicide to attack the plant. Also, that extra AMS wakes up the plant a bit moving the herbicide through the plant quicker.
The low pH itself does burn plant leaves, even if the herbicide doesnt bother it much.
Never successfully used AMS before, the granular dissovled in the tank kept clogging my sprayer heads. Bought the right stuff this year.
Giving one plot just enough ams to make my 8.5pH 250ppm CaCO2 water go down to just 7 pH. Basically no extra AMS in water, just all to get rid of calcium in water. Then doing a heavier dose in another plot. Played with the water a bit. About 2lbs/100 gllon to nuetralize the calcium. Probably do a 2 and 10 lb run.
This will be with gly and maybe do a gly bentazon mix too.
Im thinking if you got water with very heavy scale issues, adding a small amount will help out and not burn things up. I got medium hardness water. Folks who got 300 and maybe as high as 1000 ppm might benefit from some AMS. Even going on the safe side of adding enough until you get a pH of 7.5 or so, maybe neutralizing like 80% of it.
Some folks are hesitant with 2,4D and AMS. AMS does a few things, It neutralizes your calcum carbonate in your water, which mght be 1-5 gallons per 100 gallon of water. Then it makes the pH below 7 past that. Low pH is good for sotring your chemicals in water. Also, extra uncombined AMS in your spray netralizes calcium on the weed leaves themselves, thus freeing the herbicide to attack the plant. Also, that extra AMS wakes up the plant a bit moving the herbicide through the plant quicker.
The low pH itself does burn plant leaves, even if the herbicide doesnt bother it much.
Never successfully used AMS before, the granular dissovled in the tank kept clogging my sprayer heads. Bought the right stuff this year.
Giving one plot just enough ams to make my 8.5pH 250ppm CaCO2 water go down to just 7 pH. Basically no extra AMS in water, just all to get rid of calcium in water. Then doing a heavier dose in another plot. Played with the water a bit. About 2lbs/100 gllon to nuetralize the calcium. Probably do a 2 and 10 lb run.
This will be with gly and maybe do a gly bentazon mix too.
Im thinking if you got water with very heavy scale issues, adding a small amount will help out and not burn things up. I got medium hardness water. Folks who got 300 and maybe as high as 1000 ppm might benefit from some AMS. Even going on the safe side of adding enough until you get a pH of 7.5 or so, maybe neutralizing like 80% of it.
RGrizzzz
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How hard is your water? As someone with a hard water well in Lycoming County, hard water has created issues for us, but mostly with Glyphosate. Per the Butyrac 200 label.
BUTYRAC® 200 may form an insoluble precipitate in very hard water. If you expect to mix BUTYRAC® 200 with very hard water, test compatibility by mixing a small amount of BUTYRAC® 200 in the proposed dilution ratios, shake and observe. A compatibility agent approved for use on growing crops such as UNITE or E-Z MIX may be tested to reduce precipitation. Whenever hard water is used to dilute BUTYRAC® 200, spray immediately and do not allow spray mixture to sit overnight.
Wild Thing
5 year old buck +
Ha Ha - Too hot for clover is impossible on my dirt. I can hardly kill it when I want to - true story!
Wild Thing
5 year old buck +
I can't give you a number on the hardness of my well water but it is fairly hard. I always add AMS to my water BEFORE I add the herbicide.
1 solo cup full (about 1# or so) per 10 gallons of water works well for me. I dissolve it in hot water and it all dissolves within a few minutes when I stir it up.
I have tank mixed these herbicides many times with no issues. 1 Qt/acre Butyrac 200, 1 Pint/Acre Clethodim and 1 Qt/Acre Crop Oil. This is my go-to cocktail for maintaining alfalfa and clovers.
Disclaimer: YMMV though if you have very hard water? Best advice is to mix some up and find out for sure before mixing an entire sprayer full.
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
I use ams with every other herbicide I spray. I’m also usually trying to protect chicory too when spraying.
Wild Thing
5 year old buck +
So you omit the AMS when spraying just clovers and chicory?
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
Correct. It makes it a little too hot especially for the chicory. And broadleafs usually not mu problem.
More the grasses.
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
You gents say to mix and observe for precipitates if hard water is a question. What are we looking for - granules to form, crystals, separation of ingredients ......??
