Crazy idea maybe | White Oak - DCO

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Kind of addicted to grafting trees now. You guys on this forum have only made things worse. Anyway…

Was wondering if anyone has ever grafted trees in the white oak family?

Curios if you could graft a Dwarf Chinkipin Oak onto a white oak rootstock.

Not sure if there would even be a benefit or not.

Was thinking that it could grow higher and not as a shrub.
 
I'm an oak addict, but haven't got into grafting them, yet.
Honest question, because I have no experience with DCO, but why not just go with a standard chinkapin oak, or a Concordia?
 
I'm an oak addict, but haven't got into grafting them, yet.
Honest question, because I have no experience with DCO, but why not just go with a standard chinkapin oak, or a Concordia?

I have just heard that the DCO is a fast producer and I already have a lot of white oak and swamp chestnut oak.

Thought I may could top work a few with DCO just to see if it would produce fast.

We don’t have the chinkapin here as far as I know but I have planted some. They are still young. Excited about them though.


Just recently learned of the Concordia. I don’t have any but can’t wait to get some.
 
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I've been grafting oaks for 25+ yrs. Almost as easy to do and as successful as apples. Certainly much easier than pecan/hickory/walnut.
I've not kept up with time to bearing, but as is the case for grafted selections in other species, I'd anticipate time to bearing to be cut in half or less than the time you'd have to wait for a seedling to grow through its juvenile phase and begin masting.

A simple bark graft, done with dormant-collected scionwood, just as the rootstocks are beginning to push leaves, works well. Other techniques probably work, too, but this is how my mentors, Mark Coggeshall and Fred Blankenship, taught me how to graft them.
I've grafted small 1-yr old potted seedlings, and topworked established trees, up to 3 inches dbh. Those established trees will push as much as 4+ ft of growth in the first year.

Graft compatibility across the entire white oak group appears to be good. Red/black oak can have some peroxidase enzyme incompatibilities that will result in graft failure.
I use mostly bur oak as an understock for any species or hybrid in the white oak group, as that's what I concentrated on early in my plantings, so have plenty of acorns & seedlings to work with - plus, they grow very fast, and are adaptable to a wide range of soil types & pH. Large-acorn type bur oaks push a very vigorous seedling. I'd probably avoid post oak as an understock, as it's so slow-growing.
I have a couple of NuttallXPin hybrid selections that I've topworked onto various red/black oak understocks - Northern Red, Southern Red, Pin. Northern Red and Southern Red look like they're going to be compatible, long-term, but the ones on Pin oak have a funky-looking graft union, even 10 years out, that makes me think that they're gonna fail at some point... may just break off right at the graft union in a wind event.

Now, for a caveat... In some of my original plantings, I had some BurEnglish oak seedlings, purchased from OIKOS Tree Crops, back around 1996... real 'mongrels', if you will, 'cause they were open-pollenated seedlings of a putative BurXEnglish selection Ken had made with any of the species and hybrids in his orchard potentially serving as pollen parent. I topworked them to the 'McDaniel' BurEnglish selection, made by J.C. McDaniel (UofIL) from a cemetery somewhere in IL. They have grown and produced well (see attached photo of acorns) for over 20 years, but in the last 3 years, 3 of the 5 grafted 'McDaniel' trees alongside my driveway have begun rapid decline - lots of dead wood in the canopy, many epicormic sprouts from the rootstock below the graft union. I removed one tree this spring, that was all but dead, and another one will probably be removed this fall, as it's fading fast, and looks as though it won't produce any acorns. One more is looking like it's starting the downward spiral, but the last two look to be OK, for now.
Other bur oak and hybrid oak selections, grafted on BurEnglish rootstock from that same batch of purchased seedlings , look to be unaffected.
 

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I have an open-pollenated seedling of DCOXSouthern live oak (Q.prinoides X Q.virginiana), that is a heavy producer of small 'chinkapin'-like acorns. It's a tree form, so may be following the unknown pollen parent with regard to growth habit. Leaves are typical 'chestnut-leaf' oak type, like DCO or chinkapin oak, but it is not evergreen like the Q.virginiana grandparent.
 
I have an open-pollenated seedling of DCOXSouthern live oak (Q.prinoides X Q.virginiana), that is a heavy producer of small 'chinkapin'-like acorns. It's a tree form, so may be following the unknown pollen parent with regard to growth habit. Leaves are typical 'chestnut-leaf' oak type, like DCO or chinkapin oak, but it is not evergreen like the Q.virginiana grandparent.

Thank you so much! This is great.

I am also interested in trying to graft some Nuttal & Shumard onto some existing water oaks.
 
Nuttall & Shumard on water oak is worth a try.
Q.nigra was the predominant oak on the farm back home in east AL, but I never see them here in KY - though I know there are some over around Land Between the Lakes...
I have the 'Fire Water' hybrid (Q.nigra x coccinea) that arose from a batch of seedlings grown from the KY State Champion water oak, which is growing at KY Dam Village State Park.
Only water oak here on the farm is one I grew from an acorn collected from the tree in front of my family home just outside of Auburn AL.

Biggest issue I have with grafting the red/black oak group has been that the bark is really thin, compared to that of the bur and bur-hybrids I usually graft white oak species & hybrids onto, and doesn't 'slip' as nicely as white oak understock. A simple splice or whip & tongue graft may work as well or better for red/black oaks than the bark graft.
Timing is a little more critical than with pomefruit... best time to graft oaks is just as the rootstocks are beginning to leaf out.
 
Thank you so much.

Will give it a try next year and will share results.


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I love this idea. Burr oaks grow super fast for me, it’d be neat to get burr oak growth with other varieties on top to expedite acorn production.


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In my experience DCO grows naturally at my place in rocky areas with almost no actual soil where nothing else but ERC would grow. CO require a deeper soil index site so for that reason DCO are nice to have around for poor areas.
 
They are tough some beaches

They are drought tolerant and my seedlings produce in 2 years after planting

bill
 
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