Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[Foggy47]

It isn't just a list. There are depositions, statements, financial transactions, and video recordings.

People are asking for a list of suspects that were being investigated for taking part in the sex trafficking among other things.

You could just appoint a special prosecutor to compile evidence. The problem is that Trump would be incapable of staying out of it and especially not make it political.

I think a grand jury was convened to hear testimony and gather the facts.....which put him behind bars. Surely thier is information on a lot of other people.....one would think? So was there not already a "special prosecutor" to gather this information for the grand jury?

 

[SD51555]

If you really want to know the whole story, here’s the entire thing from start to finish. It’s the best and shortest version I’ve heard.

Listen to this podcast. It’s calm, thoughtful, well researched, no interruptions, no screaming.

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[Hoytvectrix]

If you really want to know the whole story, here’s the entire thing from start to finish. It’s the best and shortest version I’ve heard.

Listen to this podcast. It’s calm, thoughtful, well researched, no interruptions, no screaming.

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Meh, that guy is in the most generous of descriptions an apologist for fascism. By that guy I mean Darryl Cooper. I used to think his podcast was solid, but the stuff he posts on social media is pretty toxic.

 

[SD51555]

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[Westwind]

I’m going to comment but qualify my comments first.

What I don’t want to do here is feed the conspiracy theory end of all this. As I have said many times, conspiracy theories are damaging to all involved and damaging our country. I am interested in espionage stories. And I think this may be an espionage story.

Also- I personally think Tucker Carlson is a lulu bird dingbat. Sorry if you like him. I don’t.

Here comes the “but”. Tucker is a dingbat but he is probably not wrong about this. There is a fact based case that can be made (maybe convincingly) that the whole sordid affair was an espionage Kompromat type operation by foreign governments and/or private citizens acting on behalf of their governments. Robert Maxwell (who died “falling off his yacht”) had associations with Israeli intelligence, the Russians and maybe a few passing flings with MI5. Epstein also met with Bill Burns at least twice in 2014.

If you assume they are working for someone, and I do because the money has to come from somewhere and it wasn’t coming from any source we can publicly identify….

Who were the Maxwell’s and Epstein working for? I bet the answer to that is complicated. I bet it’s not any one government and without really knowing I bet they can be thought of as private contractors. The answer that isn’t complicated- anti-semites want to tie this around Mossads neck. I doubt they are solely responsible. The conspiracy folks want to put it on only democrats or only republicans or the CIA and FBI and none of those answers are right either. Russia LOVES honey pot traps. (So do the Chinese but this isn’t their style.) Nothing is off the table with Mossad. They have made that pretty clear but still- this just isn’t 100% their style. I like the private contractors theory best. Private contractors working with money provided by private citizens on the fringes of foreign governments maybe? Maybe even foreign governments working through private citizens to provide a bit of deniability? And after all- I don’t think working for multiple gov’s might be plausible in that sometimes even enemies interests align.

The truth is that there are scumbags in positions of power with no moral backbone who were willing to put themselves in a position to be compromised. They were arrogant thinking that it wouldn’t happen to them. And it looks to me that this was a long term operation to gain influence over a whole lot of people.

I’ll add that the grand jury info is a start but it will mostly be about the two defendants and not about the clients/victims/targets of the Epstein operation. (If there was an “operation”.)

Also I said it earlier in this thread and I’ll say it again. When there is a male/female pair running a large scale criminal enterprise, we always assume the male is in charge. I have come to believe over the years that in that situation, the female is usually in charge.

 

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[Feelslikefar.]

The list of people who would have liked to see Robert Maxwell dead is pretty long.

 

[Brian662]

Finally, an arrest!

 

[Westwind]

Finally, an arrest!

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I wish this was true! Nothing worse than the “Where is my file” frantic search!

 

[SD51555]

The podcasters have been hitting dingers the past few weeks. CO is in the ring on Epstein too, and some of her stuff is redundant, but some is not. The concept of the Midas Touch was a very interesting listen.

This one was also very good too. It talks about the origins and weaponization of porn and how it’s been used in war to dehumanize and distract conquered people. The story of how it was used during the invasion of Ramala was fascinating. Something was goofy with the recording. The last hour is a repeat of the first hour, so it’s not that long.

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[Foggy47]

^^ I'm impressed that folks find the time to listen / watch all this chit. Where does time go?

 

[SD51555]

^^ I'm impressed that folks find the time to listen / watch all this chit. Where does time go?

Everybody gets 2-4 hours a day outside of work to do something. Some have to tend to kids, so sit on a barstool, some play video games, some watch the news. I read and listen to podcasts.

Also a good way to use drive time to sharpen the saw. Last time I was bear hunting, I listened to around 28 hours of podcasts. And that’s why I hate acorns now.


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[T-Max]

I have about an hour drive time every day to work and back. I much prefer podcasts to the radio.


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