CAR Report

[sandbur]

The number after the name of the tree indicates how many years I have had that type of tree.

CAR Resistant
Chestnut Crab
Dolgo Crab
Hazen
Snowsweet
Centennial (2)
Winter Redflesh (2)
Trailman(2)
Linda Sweet (1)
Wotanda (1)
South Dakota Winter (1)
Tolman Sweet (1)
Mantet (1)
B118 (2)
Liberty
Enterprise
Nova Easy Gro
Rootstock crab I call Garden Crab or Big Dog
Yellow Dog (seedling)
Guard Dog (seedling)

Very Little CAR
NW Greening
Haralred
Haralson
Wickson

Kerr some CAR

Susceptible to CAR

Whitney (2)
Frostbite
Burgundy
Kaz950804 (1) some CAR
Wetonka (1)
Wecota (1)
Wamdesa (1)
Waziya (1)


Those rated as one were top work grafts this spring that are all ready showing CAR. Those one year grafts that I rated as resistant were in close proximity to the grafts that showed CAR but were clean. They hay have emerge after the CAR time period for this year.

 

[Native Hunter]

That is some good information. I copied it for future reference. I have a couple of questions:

1. Are the B118 trees producing apples, and when do they ripen?

2. Which ones of the CAR resistant apples you grow are also fireblight resistant in your experience? I have Liberty and find it to be resistant to both.

Thanks - Steve

 

[sandbur]

B118s are not producing and I should have a 2 after them.

Chestnut crab seems to be quite resistant to any disease. I would also add hazen and dolgo.
I will have to pay more attention to fireblight. I see some every year.

Scab has been hitting some of my trees hard over the last 3-4 years. Certain seedlings are affected.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

I'll add my 2 cents - Like Bur, we have Liberty, Enterprise, Centennial, Trailman, Chestnut, Dolgo and (2) B-118 rootstocks growing at camp. All of these are 2 to 4 years in the ground. I've seen no CAR or FB on any of them. Aphids and Japs are the enemies for us.

 

[Native Hunter]

I'll add my 2 cents - Like Bur, we have Liberty, Enterprise, Centennial, Trailman, Chestnut, Dolgo and (2) B-118 rootstocks growing at camp. All of these are 2 to 4 years in the ground. I've seen no CAR or FB on any of them. Aphids and Japs are the enemies for us.

I've only seen a very small amount of CAR and FB on Liberty over the years. I have some crabs that were sold to me as Dolgo, but I'm starting to suspect they are something else. They are good crabs, but I'm not convinced they are what I ordered. I have Enterprise, but only planted it this spring.

I took a stroll through the yard this morning, and Japs are bad here too. The only apple tree leaves that they don't seem to like is on Priscilla. I did see a few leaves eaten but nothing like most other trees. The leaves on Priscilla are just different from most other apples - they seem dull and waxy looking. I think it's a feature which protects them from both disease and insects. Priscilla is the only apple I've grown that I can say I have never even seen one limb touched by FB.

Japs aren't touching pear leaves here at all. This is true of the ones in my yard and at the farm. All of the pears I'm growing look good enough to be sold at a supermarket. Just an occasional apple might look that good, but most have at least a few blemishes.

 

[buckvelvet]

Aphids are my enemy, good gracious are they bad. I second the Chestnut being a worthy advisary to CAR as I have a white cedar ride next to my home orchard. Not a mark.

Also showing extreme resistance are Gala, Cortland, Fuji Red Sport, Pink Pearl, Ashmeads Kernel, & Pink Lady.

 

[chickenlittle]

BV, white cedar (arborvitae) is not related to CAR. Eastern Red Cedar and junipers are the overwinter host.

 

[buckvelvet]

I guess I should look at it, but the tree was just a wild cedar tree my FIL planted in our yard randomly when I wasn't home like 8 years ago, its like 20 some feet tall now.

You know what, I'll take pics and post it here later, hopefully ya'll can tell me what type of cedarish tree this is. I just refer to it as cedar but I know way less about these than oaks or apples.

 

[CrazyEd]

Not on Sandbur's list, but My Goldrush, Honeygold, Black Oxford, Sweet 16 and Winecrisp also all show signs of CAR.

 

[buckvelvet]

BV, white cedar (arborvitae) is not related to CAR. Eastern Red Cedar and junipers are the overwinter host.

Ok folks, I guess I need help here, what is this?

 

[Bowsnbucks]

The Japs seem to like our Liberty and Enterprise trees, the Kerr trees, and also the N.Y. 35 " Bonkers " tree. Galarina didn't seem to be affected by much of anything - bugs or disease. We had aphids on our Trailman crab. All our trees got sprayed this past Sunday. Hopefully that'll cool the bugs for a bit.

Just saw your newly posted pics - it's an arborvitae - NOT a true cedar or juniper. So it's not a host to the CAR fungus. Not a problem. Arborvitae is also known as northern white cedar ( an incorrect identification ). It's not a cedar. The flat " needles " are the key ID factor.

 

[Turkey Creek]

Goldrush and Honey Crisp get hit hard by CAR at my place. Maslin (early season Cripps Pink) not terrible but enough to infect the fruit. I have decided after this year that I will have to spray those 3 varieties for CAR if I want to continue to grow them. I didnt spray this year or last and both Goldrush and Honey Crisp varieties grew very poorly for the first half of the summer until they could over come the set back of having CAR infected leaves. Otherwise everything else I have grown has shown no signs of CAR or so little as to not affect growth.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

TC - We have no cedars or junipers around my camp for miles, so CAR isn't a prob. for us. Our Goldrush trees are kicking butt and are doing really well for their 4th year. They put on first fruit last year and have more on them this year - the biggest tree has about 8 apples on it. I keep the weeds down around all our trees with landscape cloth covered in gravel, and spray gly around the edges of the cages. The lack of weed competition may have something to do with the good growth. I DO fertilize them each spring.

Are your HC fussy and finicky ?? I've read in some places that HC are kind of a " diva " apple tree. Are they any headache for you there ??

 

[buckvelvet]

Just saw your newly posted pics - it's an arborvitae - NOT a true cedar or juniper. So it's not a host to the CAR fungus. Not a problem. Arborvitae is also known as northern white cedar ( an incorrect identification ). It's not a cedar. The flat " needles " are the key ID factor.

One last stupid ? then i'll stop hijacking this thread. There is a wild cedar stand about 200 yds away from my 'home orchard' on a creek rivine, they are all huge trees a pocket of about 15 of 'em or so. Is there to far away with a decent woods of non cedars in between to really affect 'my apple trees'?

 

[Turkey Creek]

Are your HC fussy and finicky ?? I've read in some places that HC are kind of a " diva " apple tree. Are they any headache for you there ??

They can be a diva in a lot of places. Tend to runt out if cropped too early, bitter pit, challenging to store for long term eating, etcc... I would never grow one for myself personally I just like other things better that are less fussy. However people are in love with the variety so I will keep growing them as long as there is a demand I guess.

BV the farther the cedars are away the better. Going to depend on the spring weather every year and wind direction as well. Spores can travel 200 yds no problem with the right wind.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Thanks TC, for the HC info.