Basal Spraying - Sprayer Help

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Last year I bought some carrier oil and Triclopyr to basal spray invasive species. (mostly autumn olive) It didn't go well on my only attempt. I was kind of in a hurry, so I only mixed up a gallon and wanted to us this as a trial run. I read the label directions and this article from Penn State. When I went to spray, the mixture started to come out a little watery, and then came out thick, almost jelly like. I looked into the tank, and only some of the mixture was starting to look off. I wasn't sure what was happening at the time. I brought the sprayer home, drained the mixtures into a gallon jug and let it sit. After a while, it looked normal again.

Rereading the PSU article, it mentions spraying at low pressure, in the 20-40 psi range. I was using my fairly new Birchmeier Iris 15 AT3 sprayer. Looking at the manual, this thing goes all the way up to 6 bars/87psi. I probably pumped the thing to death. It has an adjustable nozzle, which adjusts the pressure based on how open you have it set. I didn't really know any of this at the time. Could the sprayer pressure have been my problem?

I initially chalked it up to the sprayer possibly being contaminated from something I sprayed on my fruit trees. (probably copper spray for peaches) I used the left over mixture in a small 1 gallon sprayer I have at home, on some crap at the top of my street. It didn't come out of there amazing either, but I wasn't too concerned, because I kind of considered it a loss.

Can anyone help shed some light on what my problems might have been, and a better approaches for basal spraying? I know you can use diesel fuel as a carrier. Would that have made it a better experience?

BTW, the Birchmeier is a great sprayer. You can tell it was designed by someone who actually wore the thing and sprays with it. Pricey but highly recommended.
 
I mix with a paint mixer blade on my cordless drill. My forester told me this. He said it needed to be mixed THOROUGHLY. I mixed for about 2-3 minutes. My spraying was with diesel and triclopyr 4.
 
I mix with a paint mixer blade on my cordless drill. My forester told me this. He said it needed to be mixed THOROUGHLY. I mixed for about 2-3 minutes. My spraying was with diesel and triclopyr 4.
To do what? Make sure it's mixed? Or does something else happen?
 
To do what? Make sure it's mixed? Or does something else happen?
Yes, to make sure it's completely mixed into one solution. I believe he did mention something about it not coming out of the sprayer right if it wasn't thoroughly mixed.
 
What kind of triclopyr did you use? If it’s the amine formula (garlon 3a or similar) it won’t mix with the oil carrier. Make sure you have the ester formula (garlon 4 ). The low pressure shouldn’t make a difference in the consistency of the mix, it’s more to control overspray to surrounding plants.
 
I put half the carrier in, then triclopyr, then remainder of carrier. Make sure lid is on tight and tighten all fittings (these work loose, trust me on this), then I give entire sprayer quite the shaking. I also use a Birchmeier.
 
3:1 diesel,Remedy in 4 gal backpack sprayer

Add blue dye and its off to the Sweetgum stands ( Think Ghostbusters)

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What kind of triclopyr did you use? If it’s the amine formula (garlon 3a or similar) it won’t mix with the oil carrier. Make sure you have the ester formula (garlon 4 ).
That's exactly what our forester told us. Garlon 4 we mixed with diesel.
 
If any water was in the tank or wand, that could explain it. The label also says you can test the mix first this way:

The following compatibility test (jar test) should be conducted prior
to mixing ingredients in the spray tank when tank mixing Alligare Triclopyr
4 with other materials:

1. Use a clear glass quart jar with lid and mix the tank mix ingredients in
the required order and their relative proportions.
2. Invert the jar containing the mixture several times and observe the
mixture for approximately ½ hour.
3. If the mixture balls-up, forms flakes, sludges, jells, oily films or layers,
or other precipitates, it is not compatible and the tank mix combination
should not be used.
 
If any water was in the tank or wand, that could explain it. The label also says you can test the mix first this way:

The following compatibility test (jar test) should be conducted prior
to mixing ingredients in the spray tank when tank mixing Alligare Triclopyr
4 with other materials:

1. Use a clear glass quart jar with lid and mix the tank mix ingredients in
the required order and their relative proportions.
2. Invert the jar containing the mixture several times and observe the
mixture for approximately ½ hour.
3. If the mixture balls-up, forms flakes, sludges, jells, oily films or layers,
or other precipitates, it is not compatible and the tank mix combination
should not be used.
There was some water in the wand/hose, which could have explained it.
 
There was some water in the wand/hose, which could have explained it.
Also sometimes sprayers just suck! Might have been simple as an air bubble.
 
I think it was also below freezing, so I wonder of that was part of the problem.

Any suggestions on the best way to purge water from a sprayer?
 
If it's really cold like that, I find it hard to mix the diesel, since it thickens up. I busted one sprayer by getting in a rush and putting the triclopyr 4 in before the diesel. That will cause gelling of the mix.

I've never had a water issue with my sprayers. The tanks are dry before I fill them and anything in the wand comes out before the mix without issue.
 
No reason you couldn't mix a little kerosene in with it like 10%. Itry not to advertise my basal sprays at the logging lease. I mix it with white kerosene no dye.

Adding a little crop oil might not hurt either.

When your done spraying water based stuff for the year. Put a little rv antifreeze in it. I do that with AG sprayers and powerwashers too.
 
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