AWP questions

[Derek Reese 29]

Be patient, TNM takes more time. I'm in your boat with the dry conditions. I doubt my peas, sunflower, and brassica plantings will do much. Thankfully I ignored Jeff Sturgis and planted spring plots.

There are spring plots of really good clover nearby (I too do not always listen to the experts, but do what I know and have seen work), but this was going to be a late season plot....I plan to get ahold of some winter rye as a backup if there is no growth from the peas or brassicas..

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

Youll get some growth but your bulb size may suffer. You may want to put the urea to them heavily to help them along.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Youll get some growth but your bulb size may suffer. You may want to put the urea to them heavily to help them along.

I was planning on using urea on them..but now will have to wait until just before our archery season opens (early October) to put it out....was hoping to put urea on them in early to mid September...but I guess I'll just have to wait and see how the growth looks...thanks for the encouragement!

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Went up and checked on some plots planted 8/15 (picture above) and 8/22. The 8/22 plots (picture below) definitely look better, with much better germination and even growth. I don't know if the turkeys got to all the AWP, as I did not see any seedlings (and there were turkey feathers all over the plots where it was planted). Just wondering if this weekend (9/5) would be too early to plant winter rye as a fallback option on the plots where brassicas and AWP did not germinate well, or should I give it 1 more week. Planning to broadcast 100 lbs/acre winter rye on 3 different sized plots (1/2 acre +, 1/3 acre and 1/4 acre). It is supposed to rain the following Tuesday at the latest.
Thanks in advance for all your help!

 

[Early Bird]

I am in southern ohio and I am going to throw rye on my oat/pea/bean field. I will probably broadcast 150 lbs per acre this weekend and check it one more time in two weeks to see the progress. If it has any bare or thin spots I will broadcast more. Did this last year and it was a great plot. I planted it last year on 8/31 and it worked great. I would plant without any question. Good luck!

 

[Derek Reese 29]

I am in southern ohio and I am going to throw rye on my oat/pea/bean field. I will probably broadcast 150 lbs per acre this weekend and check it one more time in two weeks to see the progress. If it has any bare or thin spots I will broadcast more. Did this last year and it was a great plot. I planted it last year on 8/31 and it worked great. I would plant without any question. Good luck!

Thanks for the input! Trying to keep the deer well fed into November/December and even later is tough sometimes (ie no rain).

 

[yoderjac]

View attachment 31409Went up and checked on some plots planted 8/15 (picture above) and 8/22. The 8/22 plots (picture below) definitely look better, with much better germination and even growth. I don't know if the turkeys got to all the AWP, as I did not see any seedlings (and there were turkey feathers all over the plots where it was planted). View attachment 31410Just wondering if this weekend (9/5) would be too early to plant winter rye as a fallback option on the plots where brassicas and AWP did not germinate well, or should I give it 1 more week. Planning to broadcast 100 lbs/acre winter rye on 3 different sized plots (1/2 acre +, 1/3 acre and 1/4 acre). It is supposed to rain the following Tuesday at the latest.
Thanks in advance for all your help!

I'm south of PA down in zone 7A and I planted a WR mix last week.

Thanks,

Jack

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Found a few brassicas (planted 8/11) starting to pop up through the thatch after we finally got some rain when adding some rye last night. Are these too small to grow much in the month or month and a half or so I have until a frost? I could possibly hit with urea if I get better growth, but need them to be taller than an inch to do so I would imagine. Thanks in advance for all your help.

 

[Bassattackr]

Turkeys will dig up peas and beans, even when planted. Wouldn't be surprised if they nabbed quite a few..

 

[scott44]

View attachment 31461Found a few brassicas (planted 8/11) starting to pop up through the thatch after we finally got some rain when adding some rye last night. Are these too small to grow much in the month or month and a half or so I have until a frost? I could possibly hit with urea if I get better growth, but need them to be taller than an inch to do so I would imagine. Thanks in advance for all your help.

Probably not much bulb growth but top growth should be ok I would think, shorter days and cooler temps are against you.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Probably not much bulb growth but top growth should be ok I would think, shorter days and cooler temps are against you.

I am still in the "new plotter" category when it comes to brassicas, but we finally got some rain and less 90 degree days and they are starting to grow more. At what point should I add urea? I have heard so many different things: "when there's 4 leaves, 3-4 weeks after germination, etc". Attached is a picture of them at their current stage. And yep I know they are planted way too heavily, I was not there to supervise the planting and the seeder was set far too open. Thanks in advance! (note there were some AWP in this mix, but they got wiped out at ~2" tall and did not recover.)

 

[scott44]

I am still in the "new plotter" category when it comes to brassicas, but we finally got some rain and less 90 degree days and they are starting to grow more. At what point should I add urea? I have heard so many different things: "when there's 4 leaves, 3-4 weeks after germination, etc". Attached is a picture of them at their current stage. And yep I know they are planted way too heavily, I was not there to supervise the planting and the seeder was set far too open. Thanks in advance! (note there were some AWP in this mix, but they got wiped out at ~2" tall and did not recover.)View attachment 31578

I would say anytime that you have time to fertilize them, try to lake sure the plants are dry so the urea doesn't stick to them and preferably before a rain but sometimes you have to do it when you have time and things don't line up just right. Looks good, a little thick but it'll work I think we all have planted brassicas a little thick.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Does anyone know how long winter rye can sit on the soil surface and still be viable? I seeded the 8th and the 15th of September (trying to get a layering effect) here in Northern PA and we have not even had 0.25" of rain since. I can still see the seeds on the surface (those that the turkeys didn't get) and very few have germinated. We are supposed to get some more steady rain later this week and have no frost for another at least 3 weeks or so. Is there still a chance for this rye?
Thanks in advance for your replies!

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

Does anyone know how long winter rye can sit on the soil surface and still be viable? I seeded the 8th and the 15th of September (trying to get a layering effect) here in Northern PA and we have not even had 0.25" of rain since. I can still see the seeds on the surface (those that the turkeys didn't get) and very few have germinated. We are supposed to get some more steady rain later this week and have no frost for another at least 3 weeks or so. Is there still a chance for this rye?
Thanks in advance for your replies!

I hope so because i'm in the same boat.

 

[bueller]

You should be fine. There's been times when I went 2+ weeks with rye seed laying on top of my sand before the rains came and I still had a decent field in the end.

 

[4wanderingeyes]

I planted sunflower, winter rye, oats and clover on Labor day, wished I could have planted it a couple weeks earlier. We had a hard freeze a week after, I checked it out yesterday, winter rye was sprouting, nothing else. Squirrels arent complaining at all! If we get rain yet, the winter rye will take off, the oats may start to grow, and the clover may make it through winter. The sunflower was a pipe dream this late in the season, but I was busy, and I had the seed.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

You should be fine. There's been times when I went 2+ weeks with rye seed laying on top of my sand before the rains came and I still had a decent field in the end.

I was hoping this would be the case, and I definitely seeded it heavy which I think will help! Just trying to get through till the rain comes. I may even spread some extra urea on an area I have some winter wheat, peas and turnips growing (also very slow growth, but it was planted a little earlier and had more rain). Our season opens October 3rd so it the rye is just coming up then I think it will be alright.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Went ahead and spread some urea on one plot of small brassicas and another small plot of winter wheat, radish and peas as it is supposed to rain this week. Hoping it helps, but I was able to find some WR growing among the brassicas. The brassicas mst have collected the dew, as the only place the WR was growing was very close to the standing brassicas. Calling for 2 days of rain then cooler temps, so here's to hoping it jumps a little before the archery opener on Saturday. Also, found a few of the peas I was worried about and they are about 4 inches tall, with the seed still attached down by the roots (the no rain since planting did most of them in I think). Thanks again for all the help!

 

[Derek Reese 29]

Finally got a good soaking ~1.25" of rain yesterday in northern PA and the temps will be cool with no frost for up to the next 4 weeks. I will be excited to see what happens. Also, the archery opener is on Saturday, so we can start protecting some plots and harvesting some does. Thanks again for all the help and advice. Good luck fellas.

Went ahead and spread some urea on one plot of small brassicas and another small plot of winter wheat, radish and peas as it is supposed to rain this week. Hoping it helps, but I was able to find some WR growing among the brassicas. The brassicas mst have collected the dew, as the only place the WR was growing was very close to the standing brassicas. Calling for 2 days of rain then cooler temps, so here's to hoping it jumps a little before the archery opener on Saturday. Also, found a few of the peas I was worried about and they are about 4 inches tall, with the seed still attached down by the roots (the no rain since planting did most of them in I think). Thanks again for all the help!View attachment 31992

 

[EarthySpirit]

What is AWP? Newbie here.