Arrowhead and other historic/pre-historic collections

Any luck busting them yet? Do you know who he is?
The Sheriff will prosecute every time they are caught in the act. It can be a challenge to make that happen, even with cell cams.
We know who two of the four are and the Sheriff is tracking them down to have a conversation first.
 
Good luck Hoyt. Makes my skin crawl to think if they found a cumberland in your creek.
 
Good luck! Next door neighbor had NR trespassers during bow season, and now he has arrowhead hunters trespassing. I'm around more than him so I take care of it if I can, but I can't press charges. Just run them off. It's frustrating at best. I don't understand sneaking around and taking what's not yours
 
Great find Cat, are all three of those small dark points uniface?
No. I've only kept one of the black ones that was unifaced (it had a curve to it, wasn't straight). The rest of them have been worked equally on both sides.
 
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No. I've only kept one of the black ones that was unifaced (it had a curve to it, wasn't straight). The rest of them have been worked equally on both sides.
Can you show the edge geometry? I know this picture sucks, it is from a catche blade, it shows the unfinished edge though, I suspect they made caches of ufinished arrow points as well, not something I know much about.20250623_190920.jpg
 
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Can you show the edge geometry? I know this picture sucks, it is from a catche blade, it shows the unfinished edge though, I suspect they made caches of ufinished arrow points as well, not something I know much about.View attachment 79296

I think this is the best I can do for pics. Do they tell you anything? Wouldn't a cache of unfinished points be the same as preforms? These are pretty small. Not sure they could do much more to them?
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I've mentioned this a few times before, but we have much more trespassing by people arrowhead hunting than anything else. This shitcricker visited 3 times in 3 weeks this spring. Fortunately, local law enforcement is taking these things a little more seriously than they have in the past.

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I would put up a camera that sends pics/vids direct to my phone live. Then catch them on the property and go full on Comanche crazy on them.
 
Sorry Cat, I havnt had much luck with an ID. The points are so small, the only thing I can come up with is Lerma, which has small points as well. I have no experience with that type.
 
Walked into a site this morning that is normally pretty good, off to a slow start though, maybe a broken piece.20250703_074424.jpg
 
This site has given up some fantastic bird points, this one is missing the tip20250703_080525.jpg
 
I wonder if I’m overlooking things. I would not think twice if I came across the first and third ones you have. What are you looking at with those that tell you they have been worked?
 
I wonder if I’m overlooking things. I would not think twice if I came across the first and third ones you have. What are you looking at with those that tell you they have been worked?
Yeah, I'm sure I looked over dozens of points because they didn't have that characteristic shape or the flaking wasn't obvious. The flaking is more obvious in person or when they are wet. Typically you can tell if something has been worked if there are flakes in parallel moving away from the center of the point. When looking down the point or tool you can see the flaking pattern from opposing sides that wouldn't generally happen naturally. Some of the flaking may be more crude and some more intricate.

Here are some screenshots of the videos of me pulling them out. Sometimes it's just the initial shape or straight edge that catches the eyes.
 

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Does anyone know if its you can find arrow points in a creek thats pure sand bottom. I can't seem to find any bedrock or any rock at all. I can probe down about 4 feet and theres no end to the sand. Could there be any points up near the surface or do they continue to sink in the sand. Theres a pretty fast current in the creek/river and its kinda deep, 10 feet in places but the sandbars are shallow on the inside curves.
 
Does anyone know if its you can find arrow points in a creek thats pure sand bottom. I can't seem to find any bedrock or any rock at all. I can probe down about 4 feet and theres no end to the sand. Could there be any points up near the surface or do they continue to sink in the sand. Theres a pretty fast current in the creek/river and its kinda deep, 10 feet in places but the sandbars are shallow on the inside curves.
For me I just view it as a numbers game. The more rocks that collect in gravel beds the more likely you are to find a former tool. The tools get there because they were lost on land near water and erosion got them to the creek or river. I think if you are in an area where big game once were you are much more likely to find them. If you aren't finding rocks at all, it would be very tough to find them in streams there. I would stick to search plowed fields.
 
Yeah, I'm sure I looked over dozens of points because they didn't have that characteristic shape or the flaking wasn't obvious. The flaking is more obvious in person or when they are wet. Typically you can tell if something has been worked if there are flakes in parallel moving away from the center of the point. When looking down the point or tool you can see the flaking pattern from opposing sides that wouldn't generally happen naturally. Some of the flaking may be more crude and some more intricate.

Here are some screenshots of the videos of me pulling them out. Sometimes it's just the initial shape or straight edge that catches the eyes.
Super interesting and I see what you are talking about now. Thank you. Probably still never find anything but at least I have something else to look for.
 
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