Are the glory days of deer hunting coming to a close?

[Howboutthemdawgs]

Do you think a subdivision of 20 houses would pay less than you in local taxes of contribution to the local economy?

I agree, I am above a lot of locals in income and expentiture. I am not above the combined income and expenditure of 5 of my 10/20 acre neighbors with kids in school.

There is just no way a NR spending 60 days a year on my 350 acres contributes as much to the local economy and taxes as a full time resident - not even me. Someone justify other wise. A non resident is going to spend as much in the local economy as a 12 month resident of the same amount of land? I want someone to explain how they do that.

62.4% of my county is on free lunch btw. Just looked it up.

 

[SwampCat]

62.4% of my county is on free lunch btw. Just looked it up.

Are you saying that a resident who would be likely to own your land if you didnt would be likely to be one of the families with their kids on free lunch?

 

[BenA]

Lets be realistic. I bought my land from four different landowners - who would have put me to shame what they contribute combined, to the economy if they never thought about deer hunting.

Do you honestly think that you and your family contribute more to the state and local economy as a non resident compared to a family living on your same acreage full time, year round, buying everything they need in the local community. No poverty level snap payments, no saving the land from a subdivision, no destin condo owner. You and your family on your land compared to equivalent KY family on the same acreage?

No, but I contribute almost 10x's the money spent to that state's management of the wildlife resources than the resident does. And, 100% more than the landowner who doesn't buy a license. The state gets almost 100% of its money to manage wildlife from license sales.

If a resident landowner wants to not let nonresidents hunt in their state, maybe they should stop selling to them. That landowner can decide not to sell to a non-resident if they're that concerned.

And, if a state is that concerned with having spots for its residents to hunt, maybe they should have more states public land and keep those prioritized for the residents.

 

[SwampCat]

No, but I contribute almost 10x's the money spent to that state's management of the wildlife resources than the resident does. And, 100% more than the landowner who doesn't buy a license. The state gets almost 100% of its money to manage wildlife from license sales.

If a resident landowner wants to not let nonresidents hunt in their state, maybe they should stop selling to them. That landowner can decide not to sell to a non-resident if they're that concerned.

And, if a state is that concerned with having spots for its residents to hunt, maybe they should have more states public land and keep those prioritized for the residents.

Are you talking state in general - state income tax, state sales tax, real property tax on vehicles, boats, trailers, whatever else, or just the minor expenses of a NR hunting license?

 

[BenA]

Are you talking state in general - state income tax, state sales tax, real property tax on vehicles, boats, trailers, whatever else, or just the minor expenses of a NR hunting license?

The money spent for a resident landowner to contribute to the state's management of its wildlife resources vs a nonresident landowner. Those other monies that you're talking of do not contribute to the agency tasked with the management of that state's wildlife management.

 

[SwampCat]

No

Thank you

 

[omicron1792]

Yep. I would wager that 100% of the residents that want to own hunting land locally AND can afford it already do.

 

[SwampCat]

Yep. I would wager that 100% of the residents that want to own hunting land locally AND can afford it already do.

What I see most of the time here, is large acreage landowners selling property when they get too old to manage it and the land is usually split and bought by existing neighbors with some odd pieces going to new landowners. That is exactly how I bought my land. But when I bought my land, the main block - 1400 acre main parcel sold to a NR. He displaced about 25 local hunters, including me. When he sold, another texan bought it.

 

[BenA]

What I see most of the time here, is large acreage landowners selling property when they get too old to manage it and the land is usually split and bought by existing neighbors with some odd pieces going to new landowners. That is exactly how I bought my land. But when I bought my land, the main block - 1400 acre main parcel sold to a NR. He displaced about 25 local hunters, including me. When he sold, another texan bought it.

Why did they choose to sell to a non-resident over a resident? Why did the 25 locals not choose to go in together in a LLC and buy it? Why didn't the locals feel sorry for the 25 displaced hunters and let them hunt on the remaining acreage?

 

[SwampCat]

Why did they choose to sell to a non-resident over a resident? Why did the 25 locals not choose to go in together in a LLC and buy it? Why didn't the locals feel sorry for the 25 displaced hunters and let them hunt on the remaining acreage?

That is a good question. I bought some of my land across the road when it sold. The original landowner wanted to keep the main block whole. I came within a hair of buying it myself and chickened out. The 25 guys who used to hunt it some could have easily bought it - but I think most - me included - didnt want to be part owners with 25 people. Turns out I could have swung it - barely. Couple of the adjacent land owners wanted to split it - but that wouldnt work with the landowner. New tx owner bought it and immediately put up a high fence. He got in trouble with the law and ended up selling to another texan. Really great guy - but he isnt here much. He doesnt hunt hardly any. Originally bought it to raise cattle and decided elk and buffalo took a lot less care and has never put a cow on it. I do like listening to the elk bugle

 

[Mortenson]

If one of those animals breaks out can you legally take it? Boy the hunt would be on then

 

[SwampCat]

If one of those animals breaks out can you legally take it? Boy the hunt would be on then

We can legally take the elk if in deer season. I have a neighbor who has killed a spike. I have a letter from g&f giving me permission any time. I saw a cow elk in august, about 15 minutes before dark, on a 100 degree day. I didnt like my odds with the .223 I was carrying. Previous owner had quit a few axis that got out. We killed them for five years. Buffalo got out one time - they are not legal game as they are considered livestock

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Let me ask you though, does it matter to you in the least if someone supports Arkansas’ economy 12 months out of the year as opposed to the money a nonresident brings? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a tangible benefit from that. It seems like a pie in the sky theoretical benefit.

Around these parts.,, Somali fraud don’t pay for itself!

 

[SD51555]

Turnkey properties are taken and extremely expensive to acquire now. The last frontier for anyone that’s not in the top 10% of earners is to go to the edges of ok deer hunting and build it up yourself, and frankly 99% won’t so their only option is frustration turning into submission and quitting.

Humans are and will be the biggest challenge to good deer hunting in most places. I have to fight winter and wolves in my area. I’ll take those foes over any human problems.


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[omicron1792]

Turnkey properties are taken and extremely expensive to acquire now. The last frontier for anyone that’s not in the top 10% of earners is to go to the edges of ok deer hunting and build it up yourself, and frankly 99% won’t so their only option is frustration turning into submission and quitting.

Humans are and will be the biggest challenge to good deer hunting in most places. I have to fight winter and wolves in my area. I’ll take those foes over any human problems.


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Absolutely. Human creep is the enemy to good hunting.

 

[bwoods11]

If Iowa would let everyone with a 312 acre minimum get a NR landowner tag, I’d be all for that, as I would have one acre to spare !

 

[Turkish]

Great question. I honestly don’t know because I’m the outside looking in. I guess I would still appreciate the guy who invests in my state in a substantial manor. Not the guy who buys 10 acres so he game the system. But if I’m a resident and a guy comes in from Georgia and spends 2.5 mil to buy 300 next to me, I’m going to run with the assumption he’s on the same page with goals (I could obviously be wrong but it seems unlikely.) Conversely if farmer Johnson lets 5 guys from town come hunt cause his paw grew up with his paw, I have no idea what to expect but my mind would usually go to the worse case.

You need some OOS neighbors from Louisiana to even out your perspective a little!

 

[Turkish]

edit. I misread…

 

[BenA]

You need some OOS neighbors from Louisiana to even out your perspective a little!

Hey now, I resemble that remark!

Only 2 bucks and 4 does have been taken off my place in the last 7 seasons. Probably not the most representative of most Louisiana hunters though. But, I own instead of lease. I think that makes a big difference.

 

[Turkish]

Hey now, I resemble that remark!

Only 2 bucks and 4 does have been taken off my place in the last 7 seasons. Probably not the most representative of most Louisiana hunters though. But, I own instead of lease. I think that makes a big difference.

You are not like the others!

Heck, I’ve spent just about as much time as an LA resident as any other state. Kinda have to hold my nose and admit it at this point.