Are the glory days of deer hunting coming to a close?

[omicron1792]

No way a non resident pays more than me as a 12 month resident to the local economy - no way.

Again swamp. You’re not the comparison.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

No way a non resident pays more than me as a 12 month resident to the local economy - no way.

It’s a bad equivalent to use you as the metric for locals. You are probably in the 1% of your community. As I referenced earlier 20% of my county is below poverty. I’m guessing based on what I’ve seen another 30% is straddling that line pretty tightly. So that’s 50% of the community in my estimation that is contributing almost nothing if not a negative.
On the converse I know personally or indirectly several nonresident landowners in my country and they are very well off. Between their purchases raising land prices (good or bad) and in community purchases and property taxes, from a dollars and cents standpoint they are way more valuable than 50% of the residents in a conservative estimate

 

[T-Max]

Just an example of non-resident contribution to local economies. If we're talking about just deer hunting, I kept my farm from being subdivided into local residential lots.

No doubt those residential lots would have contributed more to the local tax base than some deer hunting ground if taxes are in fact the argument being made.

 

[T-Max]

It’s a bad equivalent to use you as the metric for locals. You are probably in the 1% of your community. As I referenced earlier 20% of my county is below poverty. I’m guessing based on what I’ve seen another 30% is straddling that line pretty tightly. So that’s 50% of the community in my estimation that is contributing almost nothing if not a negative.
On the converse I know personally or indirectly several nonresident landowners in my country and they are very well off. Between their purchases raising land prices (good or bad) and in community purchases and property taxes, from a dollars and cents standpoint they are way more valuable than 50% of the residents in a conservative estimate

Perhaps you are a bad equivalent to use as well. Certainly 50% of my community isn't contributing nothing if not a negative.

 

[BenA]

No doubt those residential lots would have contributed more to the local tax base than some deer hunting ground if taxes are in fact the argument being made.

But, they would have been a detriment to hunting and wildlife. An example of a non-resident landowner being more beneficial to the wildlife resources than residents.

 

[T-Max]

But, they would have been a detriment to hunting and wildlife. An example of a non-resident landowner being more beneficial to the wildlife resources than residents.

That was kind of tongue in cheek for the Destins and Bransons argument...

 

[Mtyhunter]

lol, you all are really picking the gnat shit out of the pepper on this topic. too many variables for anything other than an opinion

 

[Brian662]

 

[SwampCat]

But ask the sales tax collectors in Destin, Gatlinburg, Eureka Springs, Branson, etc, etc.

Ask the tax collectors in rural podunk sevier county AR. You arent comparing apples to apples - you are comparing apples to watermelons.

 

[SwampCat]

Just an example of non-resident contribution to local economies. If we're talking about just deer hunting, I kept my farm from being subdivided into local residential lots.

Do you think a subdivision of 20 houses would pay less than you in local taxes of contribution to the local economy?

It’s a bad equivalent to use you as the metric for locals. You are probably in the 1% of your community. As I referenced earlier 20% of my county is below poverty. I’m guessing based on what I’ve seen another 30% is straddling that line pretty tightly. So that’s 50% of the community in my estimation that is contributing almost nothing if not a negative.
On the converse I know personally or indirectly several nonresident landowners in my country and they are very well off. Between their purchases raising land prices (good or bad) and in community purchases and property taxes, from a dollars and cents standpoint they are way more valuable than 50% of the residents in a conservative estimate

I agree, I am above a lot of locals in income and expentiture. I am not above the combined income and expenditure of 5 of my 10/20 acre neighbors with kids in school.

There is just no way a NR spending 60 days a year on my 350 acres contributes as much to the local economy and taxes as a full time resident - not even me. Someone justify other wise. A non resident is going to spend as much in the local economy as a 12 month resident of the same amount of land? I want someone to explain how they do that.

 

[BenA]

Ask the tax collectors in rural podunk sevier county AR. You arent comparing apples to apples - you are comparing apples to watermelons.

They were podunk at one time. But, because of non-residents, have a better economy now.

I'm not saying those places are better or that I want everywhere to turn into that. Heck no. I'm just saying that non-resident, hunting land, landowners have not brought down local economies. You can't tell me that I've brought down the local economy. I guarantee I spend more locally in the area i own property than MANY locals do. Not comparing you to me.

 

[omicron1792]

Do you think a subdivision of 20 houses would pay less than you in local taxes of contribution to the local economy?

I agree, I am above a lot of locals in income and expentiture. I am not above the combined income and expenditure of 5 of my 10/20 acre neighbors with kids in school.

There is just no way a NR spending 60 days a year on my 350 acres contributes as much to the local economy and taxes as a full time resident - not even me. Someone justify other wise. A non resident is going to spend as much in the local economy as a 12 month resident of the same amount of land? I want someone to explain how they do that.

See. Where I am if I didn’t own the land it would be owned by a national timber company. You keep acting like your land would be owned by some wealthy local. Everyone of those wealthy locals already own land. There is no one left to own it besides out of town People like us that will contribute to the society. Or out of town companies that don’t give a rip.

 

[SwampCat]

See. Where I am if I didn’t own the land it would be owned by a national timber company. You keep acting like your land would be owned by some wealthy local. Everyone of those wealthy locals already own land. There is no one left to own it besides out of town People like us that will contribute to the society. Or out of town companies that don’t give a rip.

I am not even talking wealthy landowner. I am talking any full time non wealthy landowner. I am not wealthy by any means - probably not near what a lot of the guys on this forum make. I am not talking about snap recipients in little rock or my land being subdivided into three acre lots - i am talking apples to apples.

How does a 60 day a year non resident spend as much yearly income as an average full time resident landowner. Are they going to build a $2,000,000 mansion and pay a crew of five people to manicure their lawn, plant their food plots, live in the servant’s quarters year round, register all their vehicles, boats, and trailers in the county of their land, buy groceries 12 months a year, go to in state dr every time they have a back ache, buy their vehicles and boats instate, raise their kids instate, and so on.

How does a NR accomplish that?

 

[BenA]

I am not even talking wealthy landowner. I am talking any full time non wealthy landowner. I am not wealthy by any means - probably not near what a lot of the guys on this forum make. I am not talking about snap recipients in little rock or my land being subdivided into three acre lots - i am talking apples to apples.

How does a 60 day a year non resident spend as much yearly income as an average full time resident landowner. Are they going to build a $2,000,000 mansion and pay a crew of five people to manicure their lawn, plant their food plots, live in the servant’s quarters year round, register all their vehicles, boats, and trailers in the county of their land, buy groceries 12 months a year, go to in state dr every time they have a back ache, buy their vehicles and boats instate, raise their kids instate, and so on.

How does a NR accomplish that?

That kind of nonresident landowner is not displacing the same apples to apples resident landowner from hunting though.

 

[SwampCat]

That kind of nonresident landowner is not displacing the same apples to apples resident landowner from hunting though.

I dont know - not down here - but in other areas of AR, plenty of NR buy land who have never owned a gun in their life - and they are taking hunting land from residents. North AR and North GA full of them. I am talking the financial contribution to the state, county, and local economy.

I still have not had anyone explain to me how a 60 day NR contributes as much to the state and local economy as does a resident.

 

[omicron1792]

I dont know - not down here - but in other areas of AR, plenty of NR buy land who have never owned a gun in their life - and they are taking hunting land from residents. North AR and North GA full of them. I am talking the financial contribution to the state, county, and local economy.

I still have not had anyone explain to me how a 60 day NR contributes as much to the state and local economy as does a resident.

many have shown you. You just don’t seem to have the desire to hear the info.

@Howboutthemdawgs contributes more than 90% of the local residents. No, he probably doesn’t as much as a working man that moves to and lives on the property. But that is an exception not the rule.

I’ll give you another example. I know an older man that is extremely wealthy. He has bought and bought the hunting land in his county (yes he is local and has always lived there).

He now owns 10,000 acres. Is that “good” for the local economy? His company was out of state. Yes he has paid property taxes and some income taxes in state, but not near as much as multiple people owning that property.

And guess what? Most of the locals that can’t afford to buy property hate him for it. They are jealous of his success and him buying all the property.

 

[SwampCat]

That kind of nonresident landowner is not displacing the same apples to apples resident landowner from hunting though.

Lets be realistic. I bought my land from four different landowners - who would have put me to shame what they contribute combined, to the economy if they never thought about deer hunting.

Do you honestly think that you and your family contribute more to the state and local economy as a non resident compared to a family living on your same acreage full time, year round, buying everything they need in the local community. No poverty level snap payments, no saving the land from a subdivision, no destin condo owner. You and your family on your land compared to equivalent KY family on the same acreage?

 

[trampledbyturtles]

What does any of this have to due with the glory days coming to an end?

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

How much does the average kid cost a school system? What if they have 3 kids and the NR has zero in the school system obviously. Genuinely curious how that pencils out

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

What does any of this have to due with the glory days coming to an end?

lol a little if you tilt your head just right. It’s a fun debate where ultimately our opinions will never matter.