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Are the glory days of deer hunting coming to a close?
- Thread starter Howboutthemdawgs
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T-Max
5 year old buck +
You gonna go vote in the local elections too? They have that right.
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T-Max
5 year old buck +
Very few. They lease it all out. They maximize their income that way and that’s cool. We are all less neighborly now because of it too. It is what it is.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
With that, wouldn’t a nonresident landowner be a bonus to an area. We pay disproportionately to the amount we use.
BenA
5 year old buck +
I just want to hunt on my own land, but yeah maybe I should since I'm paying for it. Or, they can not charge me to pay for that stuff. I'd be fine with that too. How am I much different than a guy from Kansas City buying a place to hunt out by you? He doesn't vote there.
T-Max
5 year old buck +
Again, disagree. I pay income tax and sales tax all year long. I pay a LOT more.
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omicron1792
5 year old buck +
My man. My hunting farm is 2 counties away from my home in the same state, and I hear some people talk the same stuff you are talking about me. I supply lots and lots of money to the local community that wouldn’t be there if I wasn’t.
How would an out of state landowner vote in local elections if they didn’t live there?
T-Max
5 year old buck +
Assuming he is a Kansas resident, there would be that. Again, there are more taxes than the tiny amount of property tax someone pays on ag ground in Kansas.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
Every situation is different and anecdotal. I know several large out of state landowners in my area. They pay disproportionately to their uses in taxes. They also; buy feed locally, buy seed locally, buy groceries locally, go out to eat locally, use the local processor, use the local water and electric department, use local contractors, etc. I also know that according to the latest census 20% of the county is below the poverty level. So economically 20% of the county is a net negative. Those landowners are contributing way more than someone who just happens to live there
BenA
5 year old buck +
But, I guarantee they're not paying more for the resource than an non-resident. License fees are multitudes higher, and that's where most of the money that's paying to manage those resources comes from; hardly if any from taxes.
Here’s the stats from the MDC for MO. The NR’s PILE in those northern counties for good reason.
The hunter’s breakfast, that we have for the opening day of rifle, just isn’t the same anymore.
There’s both good and bad that’s become of the change in demographics for the hunter in northern MO.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
Here’s another thing. You want to talk about helping the local citizens. Well if you removed nonresident landowners from my area land prices plummet. First of the local economy is not very affluent. Second a lot of it is only good hunting. So instead of 4000/acre we are now talking $1500 or so or worse. So it’s hurting some locals from cashing out if they so choose
T-Max
5 year old buck +
I’m only speaking to Kansas. And I need to be clear. Anyone exercising their right to the law as it currently exists is good in my book. I think there are ways they can improve and those are my thoughts. We don’t have to agree. I am the County Appraiser here so I can speak very specifically to the tax implications here and they aren’t even close. I also think there should be perks to being a resident somewhere. I don’t think that is unreasonable. As all that related back to the thread again, deer are becoming (are) a commodity that goes to the highest bidder. I think the glory days are over. 
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g squared 23
5 year old buck +
One problem I’ve noticed is the amount of does that are NOT being taken with an overemphasis on antler size being the harvest criteria.
We took advantage of this during the doe season that just ended here in MO and took 16 does off 160 acres in a 3 hour shoot. I’m hoping to get another 20 before all the seasons close. With more tags, we could have kept shooting that night but was done at 4.
Here’s a good majority of what was shot. From what I’ve witnessed as a majority, the NR’s are raping and pillaging the best bucks and not managing doe numbers. I have some around me taking out some does, but they’re in the minority.
And yes, these are being consumed or were donated to families that wanted some.
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We took advantage of this during the doe season that just ended here in MO and took 16 does off 160 acres in a 3 hour shoot. I’m hoping to get another 20 before all the seasons close. With more tags, we could have kept shooting that night but was done at 4.
Here’s a good majority of what was shot. From what I’ve witnessed as a majority, the NR’s are raping and pillaging the best bucks and not managing doe numbers. I have some around me taking out some does, but they’re in the minority.
And yes, these are being consumed or were donated to families that wanted some.
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BenA
5 year old buck +
For some reason, likely closest Midwest proximity to the south, northern Missouri does see an influx of non-residents. I've known guys from 30 years ago that have hunted and leased up there. It was on my list of 2 states to buy in when I was wanting to buy good deer property. But, how much of that is non-resident landowners? I don't think you can put non-resident landowners in the same category as non-residents who lease or hunt public.Here’s the stats from the MDC for MO. The NR’s PILE in those northern counties for good reason.
The hunter’s breakfast, that we have for the opening day of rifle, just isn’t the same anymore.
There’s both good and bad that’s become of the change in demographics for the hunter in northern MO.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
Yes the highest bidder in a capitalist society should get the commodity. I get the idealist sentiment that it would be nice if locals let locals hunt but it’s just not reality anymore. We are a mobile society now. The internet, our phones, efficient vehicles have allowed us to freely roam. I respect your take on this and seeing how I’ve never lived in a true rural community we have different experiences. I’ve always had to travel to hunt, you’ve basically never had to travel to hunt if you didn’t want. So two different life experiences.I’m only speaking to Kansas. And I need to be clear. Anyone exercising their right to the law as it currently exists is good in my book. I think there are ways they can improve and those are my thoughts. We don’t have to agree. I am the County Appraiser here so I can speak very specifically to the tax implications here and they aren’t even close. I also think there should be perks to being a resident somewhere. I don’t think that is unreasonable. As all that related back to the thread again, deer are becoming (are) a commodity that goes to the highest bidder. I think the glory days are over.
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BenA
5 year old buck +
From hearing Iowans, the deer quality is declining.
It’s at least 50/50 between NR landowners and people leasing properties. There’s guys in my immediate area from UT, MN, WI and VA that own ground. People from MI and IA lease the farms north and south of me.
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Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
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