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Bowsnbucks

5 year old buck +
Just for some clarity ...............

The "government" wasn't the first entity to warn of the dangers of Covid-19. It was the medical community. When Covid-19 was PROVEN to not just be "one guy coming in from China" - and it was NOT "all under control" - in the interest of public health, governments at all levels, federal, state, and local began to push for masks and staying home - and later for tested vaccinations as the BEST way to diminish the spread and protect people's lives. It WAS NOT the government trying to "take over your lives" ..................... but rather protect them. If anyone chooses to NOT protect themselves, their kids & grandkids, co-workers, neighbors .............. that's on them. The BS tale that Covid didn't affect kids and young people has been proven WRONG also - as many kids, teens and people in their 20's, 30's, and 40's are now being hospitalized in numerous states. Doctors from numerous states are reporting that almost all of the people being hospitalized with serious cases, or have died - are UN-VACCINATED. Who is going to pay for all those hospitalizations??? (that could be avoided with vaccinations)

I find it amusing that numerous people around the U.S. were actually seeking vaccines against ZOMBIES just a few years ago, when all the zombie shows and movies were the rage. Some folks apparently BELIEVE in zombies .............. but not a global pandemic of REAL Covid-19 virus!!!!!!!!!!

A first-hand glimpse in my own life ............

I have 4 cousins who refused to get vaccinated. All got Covid-19 and were hospitalized with serious illness. They were put on ventilators and one was in a highly-pressurized, oxygen saturated room / capsule for weeks. 2 almost died, and have long-term breathing difficulty / lung damage, one needing to be on oxygen yet. 3 hunting camp members got Covid-19 while cooped up at hunting camp this past season. 2 of them have long-term breathing / lung damage problems now and 1 of them gasps when just walking in from his truck. He's currently on a number of expensive medications to treat his lung damage problems. Camp members admit they F***ed-up. ALL were skeptics / non-believers before they got hammered. NONE were vaccinated.

So for those who refuse to believe the MEDICAL EXPERTS in infectious diseases ........... and turn a BRAND NEW virus into a political argument instead of recognizing the global health crisis it really is ........... be ready for your world to possibly come crashing down with loss of life / life-long lung damage / vascular system damage. My own skeptical / doubting / politicizing relatives and friends learned THE HARD WAY. Maybe if anyone breaks out in a cold sweat, has chest pains / pain down their arm, etc. ................. you should stick it out - tough it out. Smoking or chewing tobacco isn't dangerous at all. Can't trust those doctors ( we know how political THEY ARE! ).

Now back to your regularly scheduled conspiracy theories. LLLLLLLL ol !!!!
 

Bill Loser

5 year old buck +
Just for some clarity ...............

The "government" wasn't the first entity to warn of the dangers of Covid-19. It was the medical community. When Covid-19 was PROVEN to not just be "one guy coming in from China" - and it was NOT "all under control" - in the interest of public health, governments at all levels, federal, state, and local began to push for masks and staying home - and later for tested vaccinations as the BEST way to diminish the spread and protect people's lives. It WAS NOT the government trying to "take over your lives" ..................... but rather protect them. If anyone chooses to NOT protect themselves, their kids & grandkids, co-workers, neighbors .............. that's on them. The BS tale that Covid didn't affect kids and young people has been proven WRONG also - as many kids, teens and people in their 20's, 30's, and 40's are now being hospitalized in numerous states. Doctors from numerous states are reporting that almost all of the people being hospitalized with serious cases, or have died - are UN-VACCINATED. Who is going to pay for all those hospitalizations??? (that could be avoided with vaccinations)

I find it amusing that numerous people around the U.S. were actually seeking vaccines against ZOMBIES just a few years ago, when all the zombie shows and movies were the rage. Some folks apparently BELIEVE in zombies .............. but not a global pandemic of REAL Covid-19 virus!!!!!!!!!!

A first-hand glimpse in my own life ............

I have 4 cousins who refused to get vaccinated. All got Covid-19 and were hospitalized with serious illness. They were put on ventilators and one was in a highly-pressurized, oxygen saturated room / capsule for weeks. 2 almost died, and have long-term breathing difficulty / lung damage, one needing to be on oxygen yet. 3 hunting camp members got Covid-19 while cooped up at hunting camp this past season. 2 of them have long-term breathing / lung damage problems now and 1 of them gasps when just walking in from his truck. He's currently on a number of expensive medications to treat his lung damage problems. Camp members admit they F***ed-up. ALL were skeptics / non-believers before they got hammered. NONE were vaccinated.

So for those who refuse to believe the MEDICAL EXPERTS in infectious diseases ........... and turn a BRAND NEW virus into a political argument instead of recognizing the global health crisis it really is ........... be ready for your world to possibly come crashing down with loss of life / life-long lung damage / vascular system damage. My own skeptical / doubting / politicizing relatives and friends learned THE HARD WAY. Maybe if anyone breaks out in a cold sweat, has chest pains / pain down their arm, etc. ................. you should stick it out - tough it out. Smoking or chewing tobacco isn't dangerous at all. Can't trust those doctors ( we know how political THEY ARE! ).

Now back to your regularly scheduled conspiracy theories. LLLLLLLL ol !!!!

Take a nap
Lol!!
 

Bill Loser

5 year old buck +
bows, just so you re aware, there are literally 1000s of drs. saying covid is a joke. Personally I am friends with 5 doctors and twice that in nurses, half of which are family, 100% say 1. Covid is not nearly as bad as we ars sold , 2. They would not get nor recommend anyone to get the vaccine. My own father would be considered high risk, heart failure diabetes you name it. His dr told him the vaccine would be more likely to harm him than covid.
 

S.T.Fanatic

5 year old buck +
Again, it’s the manipulation of the numbers to push an agenda that irks me. Right now in NY we have Dem lawmakers pushing for reinstating mask mandates on the premise there’s a new surge and cases are rising rapidly. When 300,000 people a day were being tested and 3000 were positive the infection rate was 1%. But, they‘re not using that now. Today there were only 60,000 people tested and 860 were positive. That’s not a lot of people in a State with 19 million in it but these politicians are pushing that the positivity rate is rising rapidly because it’s now 1.5% or something. Now, most people can do the math but, really? 860 positive out of 19 million people and they want to reinstate masks and possible lockdowns again. I hope they get called out on this number manipulation game and people see the agenda for what it really is.
Just ask yourself how many people per day died in your state in 2018.
 

SD51555

5 year old buck +
Doctors from numerous states are reporting that almost all of the people being hospitalized with serious cases, or have died - are UN-VACCINATED.
 

Troubles Trees

5 year old buck +
because of the magnitude of the crisis coupled with the "information age", this is the most transparent health care effort in history
Really my friend? I genuinely mean no offense as it is difficult to debate with people without sounding like its an argument, but you offer no proof in there, just speculation on possibilities while being condescending and close minded to what is presently swaying towards what we have been saying the whole time. If the Susquehanna river was suddenly found to be contaminated with coco 2 blocks downstream from the Hershey plant, it is easy to quickly conclude that it is likely caused from the Hershey plant. At this point there is no question that the origin of all this came from Wuhan China, at this point we know for a fact that Wuhan works with various strains of Coronaviruses, and the market that China blamed it on is literally 2 blocks away from the Wuhan Lab, But we should just take China's word for it that it wasn't a lab leak, while China is refusing to give up the access to that data, even today? And we are the crazy conspiracy guys?
You do keep up with all this I would assume so you would know that the The head of the World Health Organization (Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus) earlier this month walked back all his earlier comments, AND conclusions from the WHO's investigation (that concluded without most of the actual data they are still asking for today), about this being "extremely unlikely" to now saying:
"there had been a premature push to rule out the theory that the virus might have escaped from a Chinese government lab in Wuhan - undermining WHO’s own March report, which concluded that a laboratory leak was “extremely unlikely.” He also stated “I was a lab technician myself, I’m an immunologist, and I have worked in the lab, and lab accidents happen,” Tedros said. “It’s common." While admitting that they concluded the WHO investigation without much of the requested information “asking actually China to be transparent, open and cooperate, especially on the information, raw data that we asked for at the early days of the pandemic.”

REALLY? I thought science doesn't jump to conclusions or try to push narratives in any directions without following the DATA and SCIENCE. Who was prematurely pushing a narrative? The Scientists we have been following as Gods the whole way.

If you follow the Senate's hearings with Fauci on all this then you know about the emails that people on Fauci's own team like Kristian Anderson "warned that the coronavirus had possibly been "engineered if you look closely at the sequencing". Yes I am fully aware that PBS, NPR, NBC, ABC and yes even FactCheck.org (because they have so much integrity) did their hit piece to debunk them, but in total was nothing more than suggesting, not proving anything. Funny how they are now changing their tune isn't it? PBS now has a similar story to the link below.



I could go on and on here :emoji_unamused: but feels like people will not ever change their minds until the prestigious WHO says it out loud...
 

Bill Loser

5 year old buck +
Really my friend? I genuinely mean no offense as it is difficult to debate with people without sounding like its an argument, but you offer no proof in there, just speculation on possibilities while being condescending and close minded to what is presently swaying towards what we have been saying the whole time. If the Susquehanna river was suddenly found to be contaminated with coco 2 blocks downstream from the Hershey plant, it is easy to quickly conclude that it is likely caused from the Hershey plant. At this point there is no question that the origin of all this came from Wuhan China, at this point we know for a fact that Wuhan works with various strains of Coronaviruses, and the market that China blamed it on is literally 2 blocks away from the Wuhan Lab, But we should just take China's word for it that it wasn't a lab leak, while China is refusing to give up the access to that data, even today? And we are the crazy conspiracy guys?
You do keep up with all this I would assume so you would know that the The head of the World Health Organization (Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus) earlier this month walked back all his earlier comments, AND conclusions from the WHO's investigation (that concluded without most of the actual data they are still asking for today), about this being "extremely unlikely" to now saying:
"there had been a premature push to rule out the theory that the virus might have escaped from a Chinese government lab in Wuhan - undermining WHO’s own March report, which concluded that a laboratory leak was “extremely unlikely.” He also stated “I was a lab technician myself, I’m an immunologist, and I have worked in the lab, and lab accidents happen,” Tedros said. “It’s common." While admitting that they concluded the WHO investigation without much of the requested information “asking actually China to be transparent, open and cooperate, especially on the information, raw data that we asked for at the early days of the pandemic.”

REALLY? I thought science doesn't jump to conclusions or try to push narratives in any directions without following the DATA and SCIENCE. Who was prematurely pushing a narrative? The Scientists we have been following as Gods the whole way.

If you follow the Senate's hearings with Fauci on all this then you know about the emails that people on Fauci's own team like Kristian Anderson "warned that the coronavirus had possibly been "engineered if you look closely at the sequencing". Yes I am fully aware that PBS, NPR, NBC, ABC and yes even FactCheck.org (because they have so much integrity) did their hit piece to debunk them, but in total was nothing more than suggesting, not proving anything. Funny how they are now changing their tune isn't it? PBS now has a similar story to the link below.



I could go on and on here :emoji_unamused: but feels like people will not ever change their minds until the prestigious WHO says it out loud...
How dare you bring logic and facts into this!?!?
 

H20fwler

5 year old buck +
I don’t get a flu vaccine

I don’t get a Pneumonia vaccine

I believe in the vaccines the health dept advises parents to get their young children

I don’t believe in abortion as birth control

I totally don’t understand full term abortions

I don’t understand science that says there are more than two genders

I don’t understand how there can be a pandemic of any kind here when the southern border is wide open

I don’t understand the two tier justice system, one for the rich/politicians and another for the rest of us

I don’t care who is gay or lesbian…just don’t need to see it thrown in my face daily

I don’t care how anyone wants to worship, they are free to do what they want

I don’t believe everything the government tells me to believe

I believe most of the MSM is just government propaganda anymore

I do not believe in censorship

I believe in veterans and veterans rights

I am proud of our flag

I would take a bullet to protect pretty much anyone’s constitutional rights whether I agreed with their views or not

I believe 99% of the police are good people

I believe in family values

I think racism is ignorant

I don’t care if people want to wear a mask or not…their choice

I don’t care if people want to get a covid vaccine or not…their choice

I’m all for Zionism

I’m all for live and let live…..but don’t force your views and belief system on me





So I guess I’m a bad person







And I’m more pro cage than tube……………….
 

TreeDaddy

5 year old buck +
I don’t get a flu vaccine

I don’t get a Pneumonia vaccine

I believe in the vaccines the health dept advises parents to get their young children

I don’t believe in abortion as birth control

I totally don’t understand full term abortions

I don’t understand science that says there are more than two genders

I don’t understand how there can be a pandemic of any kind here when the southern border is wide open

I don’t understand the two tier justice system, one for the rich/politicians and another for the rest of us

I don’t care who is gay or lesbian…just don’t need to see it thrown in my face daily

I don’t care how anyone wants to worship, they are free to do what they want

I don’t believe everything the government tells me to believe

I believe most of the MSM is just government propaganda anymore

I do not believe in censorship

I believe in veterans and veterans rights

I am proud of our flag

I would take a bullet to protect pretty much anyone’s constitutional rights whether I agreed with their views or not

I believe 99% of the police are good people

I believe in family values

I think racism is ignorant

I don’t care if people want to wear a mask or not…their choice

I don’t care if people want to get a covid vaccine or not…their choice

I’m all for Zionism

I’m all for live and let live…..but don’t force your views and belief system on me





So I guess I’m a bad person







And I’m more pro cage than tube……………….

The evidence is incontrovertible.....

All threads eventually end in Tubes v Cages

After 4,489 posts we are finally there

bill
 

Bill Loser

5 year old buck +
The evidence is incontrovertible.....

All threads eventually end in Tubes v Cages

After 4,489 posts we are finally there

bill
Settled science?
 

roymunson

5 year old buck +
I don’t get a flu vaccine

I don’t get a Pneumonia vaccine

I believe in the vaccines the health dept advises parents to get their young children

I don’t believe in abortion as birth control

I totally don’t understand full term abortions

I don’t understand science that says there are more than two genders

I don’t understand how there can be a pandemic of any kind here when the southern border is wide open

I don’t understand the two tier justice system, one for the rich/politicians and another for the rest of us

I don’t care who is gay or lesbian…just don’t need to see it thrown in my face daily

I don’t care how anyone wants to worship, they are free to do what they want

I don’t believe everything the government tells me to believe

I believe most of the MSM is just government propaganda anymore

I do not believe in censorship

I believe in veterans and veterans rights

I am proud of our flag

I would take a bullet to protect pretty much anyone’s constitutional rights whether I agreed with their views or not

I believe 99% of the police are good people

I believe in family values

I think racism is ignorant

I don’t care if people want to wear a mask or not…their choice

I don’t care if people want to get a covid vaccine or not…their choice

I’m all for Zionism

I’m all for live and let live…..but don’t force your views and belief system on me





So I guess I’m a bad person







And I’m more pro cage than tube……………….
I'm with you here...

Can we bring in your opinion of crossbows and baiting whitetails? That's where the rubber meets the road
 

SD51555

5 year old buck +
Our cultural divide is opening up quickly now. One side is ready to throw Faucci in prison for what's he's done. The other side (france, canada, uk) has launched total societal excommunication for those who refuse to present themselves to the state for vaccination.

 

Troubles Trees

5 year old buck +
I was led to believe the "pause" in gain of function research was only in 2019 by the articles (discussing Fauci's Covid email release last month) I have read to date, I guess I should have known better but doing a little digging around the NIH website I see the pause actually started in 2014 and the ended in December 2017. So the wording in Fauci's emails was incorrect and they were actively doing gain of function research, which specifically includes influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses when Covid-19 escaped the Wuhan Lab in China. For those that don't know, Coronaviruses are caused by SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), and Covid-19 is caused by the virus specifically called SARS-CoV-2.

In all fairness, although we know the NIH was doing GOF research I haven't found any direct information clarifying we were doing it specifically with Coronaviruses at the Wuhan Lab, Fauci testified that we weren't but I don't trust him much given all the misinformation he has given in his testimony. Senator Paul is on fire scorching Fauci, and is one of the few even questioning Fauci's testimony if you haven't seen the latest it is worth looking up the videos and watching.

The whole purpose of funding and doing Gain of Function research is to head off Pandemics like we just went through. At this point I see them as worthless and should be defunded imo

The NIH information on GOF research funding timeline below:
 
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SD51555

5 year old buck +
In all fairness, although we know the NIH was doing GOF research I haven't found any direct information clarifying we were doing it specifically with Coronaviruses at the Wuhan Lab, Fauci testified that we weren't but I don't trust him much given all the misinformation he has given in his testimony.
Here's the connection. Depop was at the intersection of all of this.

 

S.T.Fanatic

5 year old buck +
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