I had several pics of this buck but had never seen him until yesterday at 9:15 a.m. He was walking behind a doe grunting. I shot him at 25 yards, a little back so he went about 200 yards. From the yrs of pics I believe he was 4 1/2. He has no teeth besides his lower from ones. Maybe hes even older. He lost sight in his left eye last yr. I'm assuming he was fighting. Nov 7 is a great day to be in the woods!