Seguins - Dwarf Chinese Chestnuts question - Transfered from QDMA forum
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yoderjac
5 year old buck +
FYI
I have not gone through it in detail yet but the Modelling chestnut biogeography -2012- paper has info on sequins and other species that may be of interest.
Like so.
Also, the CHESTNUTS AND WILDLIFE info has a theory new to me.
Very nice! I'm in the High zone! Thanks for posting this. Most research is a bit difficult to apply, but this had direct application for many!
Thanks,
Jack
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TreeDaddy
5 year old buck +
FYI
I have not gone through it in detail yet but the Modelling chestnut biogeography -2012- paper has info on sequins and other species that may be of interest.
Like so.
Also, the CHESTNUTS AND WILDLIFE info has a theory new to me.
Thank you,Shedder
good reads for my fellow Castaneaphiles......
bill
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Well, that first seguin has not changed much. Perhaps the nut had already decided which way was down with the root radicle about to emerge and I planted it upside down and it started growing up then turned. It kind of looks like a stem loop that some seeds produce.
However, the good news is a second one produced top growth. It looks like a typical chestnut or AC stem coming up. Three of the 4 seeds passed the float test. So far 2 of the 4 show visible activity.
As for the bare root seedlings I got from the Wildlife Group, 3 of the 4 are actively growing and the fourth still shows no signs of life. At least one of them has lots of catkins. I haven't checked for female burs yet but I'm hopeful I'll get some nuts by fall. That should give me something to work with next winter.
Thanks,
Jack
However, the good news is a second one produced top growth. It looks like a typical chestnut or AC stem coming up. Three of the 4 seeds passed the float test. So far 2 of the 4 show visible activity.
As for the bare root seedlings I got from the Wildlife Group, 3 of the 4 are actively growing and the fourth still shows no signs of life. At least one of them has lots of catkins. I haven't checked for female burs yet but I'm hopeful I'll get some nuts by fall. That should give me something to work with next winter.
Thanks,
Jack
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Well, it looks like I'm down to 1 seedling. The first one to show top growth died because of an orientation problem. Evidently the nut had already decided up from down even though no root radicle had emerged enough to tell. I must have planted it upside down. The green I saw (and is shown in a previous post picture) was the root radicle. It evidently grew up and then circled back into the mix. It eventually damped out. I'm guessing the air exposure was too much for it. On a whim, I reoriented the nut and replanted it in hopes it has enough energy to produce another radicle but I doubt it. One of the nuts did not germinate. I presume it was the floater of the 4. One nut has shown no signs of germination but seems solid. I doubt if it will germinate at this point, but I replanted it just in case. The last one germinated and produced top growth that is a couple inches tall now. I'll take a picture when I get a chance.
Thanks,
Jack
Thanks,
Jack
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
One of the seguins I bought from the wildlife group did not leaf out. I presume it is a gonner. The rest are kind of interesting. There is lots of dead wood, but the branches that are actively growing are doing well. It looks like full catkins and hopefully I will eventually see some nuts:
THakns,
Jack
THakns,
Jack
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yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Well, I see I have to go back and update the links to the pictures in this thread when I get a chance. I checked my seguins today and found the husks opening. I got 5 or 6 that look like viable nuts. There are still a few more that have not opened yet but most are small and will likely be duds.
One thing for sure. Whatever those nuts that Schumacher sent me were not seguins. They were much larger. These nuts are what I expected, about the size of Allegheny Chinquapins but 3 per bur with a flat side like chestnuts.
Thanks,
Jack
One thing for sure. Whatever those nuts that Schumacher sent me were not seguins. They were much larger. These nuts are what I expected, about the size of Allegheny Chinquapins but 3 per bur with a flat side like chestnuts.
Thanks,
Jack
TreeDaddy
5 year old buck +
I am on a quixotic quest to raise these little fellows
If i can grow AC's and chinese chestnuts , I should be able to grow these
1st attempt with schumacher seeds was a failure
Plan to order dormant bare root seedlings from wildlife group and nurse them at home for a full growing season
bill
If i can grow AC's and chinese chestnuts , I should be able to grow these
1st attempt with schumacher seeds was a failure
Plan to order dormant bare root seedlings from wildlife group and nurse them at home for a full growing season
bill
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Bill,
That is exactly what I did. When the Schumacher detachable became clearly a failure, I ordered 4 bare root seedlings from the Wildlife group. If you track back up this thread, you see when I got them. I planted them in 3 gal RB2s and put them in my cold room. I woke them up a bit early and brought them into my grow room and put them under lights to give them an early start. They developed catkins and burrs when they were still indoors. They have been on my deck all summer. These are the nuts I just collected. Clearly Schumacher not only sent bad nuts with mold, they were the wrong nuts. Based on other guys posts, I think they were henri.
Thanks,
Jack
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Very nice, much larger than mine. I don't think I'll plant mine yet. Since they produced on my deck this first year, I'm thinking of keeping them at home next year so they produce more than they probably would in the field.
Thanks,
Jack
I would like to get a few nuts off of these, but I doubt I will. It took them a couple of years to finally take off. I wouldnt mind putting in a few more! Yoder, Did any of your seeds make out? no a one of my henryi came out. It was a complete wash. I found a guy that is crafting chestnuts, might try my hand at that this year. .... maybe... hahah
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
I now know the seeds Schumacher sent were not seguins. They all had mold and none germinated. Complete failure. I now believe they sent henryi chestnuts instead of the seguins I ordered. When I compare the nuts they sent to the ones I got from my trees, they are different. Mine are much smaller. Perhaps slightly larger but close to the size of my Allegheny chinquapins.
Oh yes, I did get a couple of viable seguin nuts from Cas_Hunter that sprouted but none of them made it.
Thanks,
Jack
Oh yes, I did get a couple of viable seguin nuts from Cas_Hunter that sprouted but none of them made it.
Thanks,
Jack
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yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Time to follow up on this thread. The seguins I got from the Wildlife Group did in fact produce some viable nuts. Perhaps because of the early wakeup, or maybe because sequins are capable of producing multiple crops each year in some places, the nuts matured at different times. Nuts were collected Late August through late October. I cold stratified them and planted them in 18s on Jan 1st (along with a bunch of Allegheny Chinquapins I collected from native trees on my farm). I ended up with a total of 8 Seguin nut and 64 ACs. I have an additional 7 AC nuts in 18s that I'm keeping in the dark for a grafting experiment later. It has now been 15 days. Yesterday the first AC showed a tiny bit of top growth. Today, my first seguin ever to germinate poked its head up too. Here is a pic:
If you look closely the small pink thing in the center of the photo is my first seguin ever to germinate! I plan to keep this thread updated as things move forward.
Thanks,
Jack
If you look closely the small pink thing in the center of the photo is my first seguin ever to germinate! I plan to keep this thread updated as things move forward.
Thanks,
Jack
