WRP

[homerj]

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Do you know that some of the money comes from sportsman ? License fees, Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever?

You are against CRP, wetland restoration, wildlife habitat conservation projects , public land purchases??

And you're using a strawman argument to support government subsidies you like.
Either we're wasting billions on unnecessary programs or we aren't.

Is it a great use of taxpayer dollars to support somebody buying deer hunting land? Is it a great use of taxpayer dollars to give school lunch to every kid? Is it a great use of taxpayer dollars to prop up corn prices, so we can inject corn syrup into almost every product (food and otherwise) made in this country? Is it a great use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize tree/grass plantings on private acreage?

Everybody is sucking on the teat. Put up or shut up

 

[Spike_Horn_Shooter]

Guys - I’ll speak for myself here and maybe others feel like this on this forum:

Habitat, trees, TSI, food plots, blinds, deer, pictures of kids with deer, dogs, birds, frogs, worms, no-till, tillage, seed blends, herbicide, ponds, fish, guns, bows (even ones that cross) - That stuff fills up my bucket.

The downfall and overall shit-if-ication of this country, and yes - even talking about, takes away from my bucket. I come here to talk about things that fill up my bucket, because seemingly everything else on the internet - frankly it makes me angry.

So can we keep the overly political posts separated to one thread?

Mods and everyone else - slay me if you want. Just my feelings.

 

[homerj]

Click on a thread titled WRP, knowing it's a government funded program and then get upset because of some political posts?
Kinda seems like self- induced pain

 

[SwampCat]

I think it probably saves the taxpayer for the govt to pay for the wrp. It is basically a one time payment as opposed to annual payments for crop subsidies and everything that goes with it on land that wont grow a crop. Knowing that the govt is going to use your tax money for something, I cant believe sportsmen would complain knowing that money was going to something that was benefitting all types of wildlife. Knowing the govt is not giving you your taxes back - would you rather your tax money be used for an annual crop subsidy on the green fields in the distance - or a one time payment for the water and woods cover land in the foreground? No, it is not my land - but I can think of a whole lot of tax dollar expenditures that piss me off more than the brown land and blue water in this picture.

 

[Mortenson]

I think it probably saves the taxpayer for the govt to pay for the wrp.

Substitute wrp for abortion and lefties say the same thing.

 

[bwoods11]

Years ago I could have bought a WRP parcel for $100 an acre in Kansas . 320 acres for $32,000…

I called and it was sold first day .

 

[SwampCat]

Substitute wrp for abortion and lefties say the same thing.

I have no idea how a lefty might think

 

[Catscratch]

Years ago I could have bought a WRP parcel for $100 an acre in Kansas . 320 acres for $32,000…

I called and it was sold first day .

Not WRP but still a great opportunity missed by me. 1 mile of inside bend shoreline of the Walnut river. Chose to pass as it would have taken the down payment cash we had saved to build our house. Made the right choice but it sure stings when I think about it.

 

[SD51555]

It’s been a while since I ranted about govt land grabs. I’ll share the short version. WRP and public lands eat up the land for private ownership. Not too many years ago, I ranted with my foil hat on, that in my lifetime, I’d see the end of the rural land ownership dream for the average middle class person.

Thanks to Covid and the war machine destroying the dollar, that day is already here. The standard middle class family can’t even get into the housing market now. Hunting lands have doubled and tripled in value since Covid, so nobody with even an upper middle class job can buy decent ground anymore.

The millennials that waited and the generations that will follow, will never experience what we had, unless they can make it into the top 10% or inherit it. Government gobbling up unencumbered rural lands will only continue to push that dream farther and farther away. And it’s a damn shame. Anyone that sells land into permanent easements or sells outright to the government shouldn’t be allowed to buy another acre without fully paying back what they gave away.

My buddy at work makes good money, and also has a family. Between him and his dad they got outbid by $3,000/ac for a tract that was mostly low ground, and it breaks my heart seeing that guy search for land knowing he’s about $150,000 short of competing for a 40 where he’s looking.


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[SD51555]

I saw the writing on the wall long ago. In 2016 I’d paid 25% more than what anyone ever paid by me for my land. Now, just 8 years later, 3x what I paid won’t get u in the door here.


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[Turkish]

It’s been a while since I ranted about govt land grabs. I’ll share the short version. WRP and public lands eat up the land for private ownership. Not too many years ago, I ranted with my foil hat on, that in my lifetime, I’d see the end of the rural land ownership dream for the average middle class person.

Thanks to Covid and the war machine destroying the dollar, that day is already here. The standard middle class family can’t even get into the housing market now. Hunting lands have doubled and tripled in value since Covid, so nobody with even an upper middle class job can buy decent ground anymore.

The millennials that waited and the generations that will follow, will never experience what we had, unless they can make it into the top 10% or inherit it. Government gobbling up unencumbered rural lands will only continue to push that dream farther and farther away. And it’s a damn shame. Anyone that sells land into permanent easements or sells outright to the government shouldn’t be allowed to buy another acre without fully paying back what they gave away.

My buddy at work makes good money, and also has a family. Between him and his dad they got outbid by $3,000/ac for a tract that was mostly low ground, and it breaks my heart seeing that guy search for land knowing he’s about $150,000 short of competing for a 40 where he’s looking.


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Interesting how things are so different regionally. Getting into land ownership here has always been only an upper middle class thing in my 42 years. AND land can still be bought here for less than $3k/ac.

Guess we’re the proverbial folks that were too poor to know the Depression was happening.

Makes me wonder if Midwest land has been greatly undervalued until recently. This notion is consistent with the land investing podcasts I listen to.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

It’s been a while since I ranted about govt land grabs. I’ll share the short version. WRP and public lands eat up the land for private ownership. Not too many years ago, I ranted with my foil hat on, that in my lifetime, I’d see the end of the rural land ownership dream for the average middle class person.

Thanks to Covid and the war machine destroying the dollar, that day is already here. The standard middle class family can’t even get into the housing market now. Hunting lands have doubled and tripled in value since Covid, so nobody with even an upper middle class job can buy decent ground anymore.

The millennials that waited and the generations that will follow, will never experience what we had, unless they can make it into the top 10% or inherit it. Government gobbling up unencumbered rural lands will only continue to push that dream farther and farther away. And it’s a damn shame. Anyone that sells land into permanent easements or sells outright to the government shouldn’t be allowed to buy another acre without fully paying back what they gave away.

My buddy at work makes good money, and also has a family. Between him and his dad they got outbid by $3,000/ac for a tract that was mostly low ground, and it breaks my heart seeing that guy search for land knowing he’s about $150,000 short of competing for a 40 where he’s looking.


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I’m not disagreeing, I’m just wondering your take. So if land is going for double and triple from some point in time, it seems to me there’s a lot of demand. Demand implies there’s competition from multiple people. If that scenario is being played out all across the country, am I to assume that all this is coming from rich people? Seems like we have a shit load of rich people in this country. What’s rich even mean? I know several people who have bought land in the last couple years, sure some are wealthy but some are middle class. As great as it is, land ownership May not be for everyone. I want a jet, I’ll never get one.

To follow up, what’s wrp have to do with this? I’m not a fan of any government program on private property so I’m genuinely curious.

 

[Turkish]

I’m not disagreeing, I’m just wondering your take. So if land is going for double and triple from some point in time, it seems to me there’s a lot of demand. Demand implies there’s competition from multiple people. If that scenario is being played out all across the country, am I to assume that all this is coming from rich people? Seems like we have a shit load of rich people in this country. What’s rich even mean? I know several people who have bought land in the last couple years, sure some are wealthy but some are middle class. As great as it is, land ownership May not be for everyone. I want a jet, I’ll never get one.

To follow up, what’s wrp have to do with this? I’m not a fan of any government program on private property so I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks for trying to get us on track.

SD’s point seems to be that WRP has an inherent badness since it’s setup as a .gov payment for perpetual say-so in land use. He has some valid points. At a shallower level, despite having some libertarian tendencies, I do believe .gov funding of conservation is a good thing. I believe it is not to be lumped into welfare and entitlements. The debate is better hashed out over a campfire than a message board though, due complexity, intricacies and stuff. ;)

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

Thanks for trying to get us on track.

SD’s point seems to be that WRP has an inherent badness since it’s setup as a .gov payment for perpetual say-so in land use. He has some valid points. At a shallower level, despite having some libertarian tendencies, I do believe .gov funding of conservation is a good thing. I believe it is not to be lumped into welfare and entitlements. The debate is better hashed out over a campfire than a message board though, due complexity, intricacies and stuff. ;)

Agreed, I don’t think it’s welfare and I don’t necessarily agree that my money and y’all’s money should pay for someone to the “right” thing but since Pandora’s box has been kicked wide open years ago, there’s worse money being spent. As I said earlier, enrolling in any government program doesn’t work for me. I like the autonomy to be as flexible as possible. That is stripped from you on your land the minute you sign your rights away.

 

[Bill]

A few weeks after I bought my original farm I went to the NRCS office and asked how much it would cost to buy out of the small amount of CRP that was on it for a tree planting. When I wrote the check right there for about $5K the women looked at me like I had 3 heads and asked why? Can’t remember my exact answer but it was along the lines of I want my land to be mine and I don’t trust the government. They send me paperwork every year asking what I’m planting in my ag fields. And the USDA sends me a survey every year asking the same thing and about harvest numbers etc.

Do you guys get those?? I round file mine every year.

 

[Turkish]

A few weeks after I bought my original farm I went to the NRCS office and asked how much it would cost to buy out of the small amount of CRP that was on it for a tree planting. When I wrote the check right there for about $5K the women looked at me like I had 3 heads and asked why? Can’t remember my exact answer but it was along the lines of I want my land to be mine and I don’t trust the government. They send me paperwork every year asking what I’m planting in my ag fields. And the USDA sends me a survey every year asking the same thing and about harvest numbers etc.

Do you guys get those?? I round file mine every year.

I met my NRCS agent recently. He was old school and still had photo albums in his office. Turns out we were in college at the same place at the same time. He showed me tailgate pictures of dead deer and turkeys with my college roommates.

Roommates were alive, as I remembered.

 

[SwampCat]

WRP land stays in private ownership. WRP - as I understand it is a one time payment. The private owner can sell at any time and typically sells for less than average land prices around our area. In general, it is not suitable for ag and not suitable for pine. It is generally low quality land for anything other than hunting

It’s been a while since I ranted about govt land grabs. I’ll share the short version. WRP and public lands eat up the land for private ownership.


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[Howboutthemdawgs]

A few weeks after I bought my original farm I went to the NRCS office and asked how much it would cost to buy out of the small amount of CRP that was on it for a tree planting. When I wrote the check right there for about $5K the women looked at me like I had 3 heads and asked why? Can’t remember my exact answer but it was along the lines of I want my land to be mine and I don’t trust the government. They send me paperwork every year asking what I’m planting in my ag fields. And the USDA sends me a survey every year asking the same thing and about harvest numbers etc.

Do you guys get those?? I round file mine every year.

Never about harvest but always about my fields. I’ve never returned a one

 

[SD51555]

I’m not disagreeing, I’m just wondering your take. So if land is going for double and triple from some point in time, it seems to me there’s a lot of demand. Demand implies there’s competition from multiple people. If that scenario is being played out all across the country, am I to assume that all this is coming from rich people? Seems like we have a shit load of rich people in this country. What’s rich even mean? I know several people who have bought land in the last couple years, sure some are wealthy but some are middle class. As great as it is, land ownership May not be for everyone. I want a jet, I’ll never get one.

To follow up, what’s wrp have to do with this? I’m not a fan of any government program on private property so I’m genuinely curious.

I don’t care about the money. We’ve probably spent more exterminating the Palestinians over the past two years than we spent on WRP since it began. My beef is those land use rights are gone forever. No family can ever homestead on that land ever again. Nobody can grow food, not crops, but food. More kids will be confined to growing up in town with 3D gaming goggles strapped to their head.

I’m not against hunter access and habitat improvement, but the way it is done now is the most inefficient way possible. The government couldn’t blow anymore dollars per acre than they currently do.

A better plan would be to relocate those dollars to long term walk-in area contracts. MN spends north of a billion dollars per year buying land and WRP contracts. If they spent 10% of that on walk in acres at $25/ac, they could open 4 million new acres for public hunting and keep it open for the rest of time. Imagine what another $200 million could do going into private landowners cost share habitat improvements. 50/50 those funds with private landowners, and the habitat could see $400 million in improvements every year.

How would that impact our wildlife outcomes? MN has a very hostile relationship with private landowners. They will not give anything without the exchange of deeds or land use rights, either temporary or permanent. SD has all sorts of private landowner programs, and for a state with no trees and very few lakes, most of us go there for good hunting and fishing.


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[H20fwler]

So, I actually have a WRP the OP asked a question concerning how it works, and most of those responding do not have one or are in a state that way overreaches like it’s Russia or something.
Again, OHIO does not run their program like that.

I did not inherit any ground or marry into any, at the time I did not have much wealth.
To be able to purchase any ground at all I did without a lot of things so I could save. I drove the same vehicles until the wheels fell off, we went out to eat less, vacationed less saved like misers.
When I got the opportunity to buy I had some saved but the price was still too high for the acreage that came up for sale. The WRP filled that gap making it within my reach.
And like I have said before everything they wanted for the property was exactly what I wanted to some day do anyway.
I had zero interest in ever farming, I wanted it for hunting and nature. And today it is like a nature preserve exceeding my wildest expectations. I now have a hunting property that can be in the family for generations.
Again the state has been great to work with.

My county is crazy heavy ag, no fence rows just tilled dirt from property line to property line, five months out of the year barren ground a worm couldn’t live on.

Now within five miles of this farm their are a half a dozen WRP’s that neighbors have put in..we see more deer because of them.

It is NOT welfare by any standard, homerj you can kiss my ass right on the crack….congrats on making my ignore list.