Winke Gave Up On ROD
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PatinPA
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Haha I would have but it was borderline on the DOT Right of Way. I just snipped a couple prominent branches off. I didn't want to piss anyone off if it was purposely planted there. I don't see it growing naturally very often.
PatinPA
5 year old buck +
I have a bunch of big pots with with potting soil. Went to grab them and they're frozen solid. haha. Trying to thaw one out now.
SD51555
5 year old buck +
Even if it's in their mow-zone, they still won't like you harvesting their problematic vegetation. It's an odd situation where you're helping them, but it's also not allowed.
Telemark
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PatinPA
5 year old buck +
I have my big pot inside thawing out. haha. Doesn't hurt them if they freeze outside then?
PatinPA
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I'm not worried about DOT. I was technically there on their behalf and I know none of them care. More concerned it was planted purposely by a local hunter. A lot of tree stands in the neighborhood and was hoping if I happened to be on a camera they'd see I was only taking a clipping and not uprooting a whole bush. It wasn't posted and probably in the ROW, so I just tried to be as respectful as possible. The project is pretty contentious on it's own anyway.
SD51555
5 year old buck +
Only time we got close to having a hanging in my hometown was over the DNR paving the trail going through town.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
So far it hasn't. I have some in a bucket, too. I forgot about them, and they just grew roots. The froze and thawed this winter. I'll get a picture tomorrow when it's light out. Already dark here now.
The problem with rooting them in water is that the roots are incredibly brittle, and I struggle to pot them.
The interesting part about this, is that a bush/tree grown from a seed naturally, can handle the browse pressure that a hand planted bush cannot. The roots get a better start from a seed, before anything can find or eat it. Typically a 2' bush that they love to eat has been there for years and should be twice as big by now.
fingers
5 year old buck +
Thanks for the idea to order seeds. I was struggling to justify a min 25 barefoot order plus shipping when I only want a few. Any recommendations on seed sources? I see some options on the internet. One on Amazon says their ROD is an indoor bonsai, so I'm suspicious of that one
SD51555
5 year old buck +
That's why I'll make an exception for caging ROD that is already there and just browsed into the dirt. This is a patch I had that was browsed into submission, but I still found it in the grass. I put a fence around it, and this is what it looked like 6 weeks later. A little bit of protection can fly past anything we can plant. Notice how all the stems are green.
bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
Fingers,
Where do you live? Just make them from cuttings. Pencil thcikness preferably a little less is good. I leave 2 buds exposed and try to get the rest about 8 inches deep. Get a bag of potting or topsoil. Lay it outside, poke the twigs into the bag. give her water every now n then. Im not a huge fan of letting them freeze in the pot in the winter. Best to transplant as close to hunting season as you feel comfortable. Less sun to dry it out, hopefully more rain. At best, only need to water 2 or 3 times when transplanted.
Free and quick to do. Push stick in the ground and cage and mulch with whatever you got. Some folks just put dead logs or branches around it to keep the deer out.
You might not necesarily find red dogwood in the wild, it might be silky dogwood instead. Deer still love it. ONtop of that silky cuttings have a higher take too.
Where do you live? Just make them from cuttings. Pencil thcikness preferably a little less is good. I leave 2 buds exposed and try to get the rest about 8 inches deep. Get a bag of potting or topsoil. Lay it outside, poke the twigs into the bag. give her water every now n then. Im not a huge fan of letting them freeze in the pot in the winter. Best to transplant as close to hunting season as you feel comfortable. Less sun to dry it out, hopefully more rain. At best, only need to water 2 or 3 times when transplanted.
Free and quick to do. Push stick in the ground and cage and mulch with whatever you got. Some folks just put dead logs or branches around it to keep the deer out.
You might not necesarily find red dogwood in the wild, it might be silky dogwood instead. Deer still love it. ONtop of that silky cuttings have a higher take too.
bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
Telemark,
whats the yellow stuff?
whats the yellow stuff?
fingers
5 year old buck +
I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know anywhere around me that has any....probably exists, I just don't know any locations. If anyone on here knows of a location that I can get cuttings in SW Ohio to Indianapolis to Lexington, KY, please let me know. Thanks
Brian662
5 year old buck +
In MN the road ditches are maintained by the township. I called the head of my township to make sure he was good with me getting cuttings from ROD that were growing wild in the ditches. He was good with it and told me if anyone hassles me to give them a call.
Not saying you'll find something like that but I believe if you did some door knocking in the countryside and asked to prune some shrubs on private property you'd have success.
SD51555
5 year old buck +
There ditches are loaded with valuable transplants. Imagine what the landscape would be like if everyone helped put those plants where they're wanted.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
Same plant but yellow.
cavey
5 year old buck +
I could not watch the whole video... just proof anyone can make a video.....
A few things stand out, one that "65 deer per square mile is not a high density". Even here in NW WI - Buffalo county hits maybe 40 ish deer per square mile and it can be crazy down there... you all might have those numbers but Im guessing not. I believe the whole state of wi average is like 25 per square mile and we have a crap ton of deer. Urban interphase areas that have higher numbers have decimated browse issues with plants just being gone from the habitat.
Anyways anyone can make a video when their bored and just make stuff up to fill time and get attention.
At 65 plus deer per square mile you have a huge browse problem (granted I kind of wish we had those numbers) nothing is going to flourish with out some attempt at caging brushing or isolating...
With red osier your planting it for a browse......... so if it gets pounded but can shrub up and return year to year that justs saves you the pain from ever having to cut back a ROD thicket to reestablish it as a browse area. So his comment that well after a year they are more or less alive -- is doing exactly what you should getting from them as a "deer" food source. 50% survival is actually pretty good. I want my ROD to get pounded, if the deer can beat it back every year and I get regrowth then I have it in perfect balance. Variety is the spice of life but with ROD im not growing it for its berries but for browse. A few larger plants that blossom and have berries is great but thats not my goal.
Trick is just to get it going - volume planting, planting as mentioned larger shrubs ripped from the ground, caging or brushing in.
A few things stand out, one that "65 deer per square mile is not a high density". Even here in NW WI - Buffalo county hits maybe 40 ish deer per square mile and it can be crazy down there... you all might have those numbers but Im guessing not. I believe the whole state of wi average is like 25 per square mile and we have a crap ton of deer. Urban interphase areas that have higher numbers have decimated browse issues with plants just being gone from the habitat.
Anyways anyone can make a video when their bored and just make stuff up to fill time and get attention.
At 65 plus deer per square mile you have a huge browse problem (granted I kind of wish we had those numbers) nothing is going to flourish with out some attempt at caging brushing or isolating...
With red osier your planting it for a browse......... so if it gets pounded but can shrub up and return year to year that justs saves you the pain from ever having to cut back a ROD thicket to reestablish it as a browse area. So his comment that well after a year they are more or less alive -- is doing exactly what you should getting from them as a "deer" food source. 50% survival is actually pretty good. I want my ROD to get pounded, if the deer can beat it back every year and I get regrowth then I have it in perfect balance. Variety is the spice of life but with ROD im not growing it for its berries but for browse. A few larger plants that blossom and have berries is great but thats not my goal.
Trick is just to get it going - volume planting, planting as mentioned larger shrubs ripped from the ground, caging or brushing in.
cavey
5 year old buck +
Wisconsin road ditches are too... thats where I get mine..... after years of cuttings thats the best way to get hundreds upon hundreds of cutting in a very short time. Ditch mowed ROD is perfect for cuttings.
As a side note I always take cuttings off public state or county land ditches and only once had an issue. Land owner said it was actually his land even though it fell clearly on state surveyed property. I can see where a thinner strip of state land fronting private property could be "seen" by the land owner as theirs - I just now try to ask for permission on those smaller cuts of land that might be public near private as a courtesy to the adjoining land owner - just easier sometimes. I knew the guy and didnt see any point on proving him wrong. I had county and state digital survey maps and could clearly see the markers. Small issue in the end
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