What do I do with the trees? Will piles be problems?

Electrodigical

5 year old buck +
My property is 22 acres. I'd say the lower half of it isn't very useful for hunting because there are houses on either side of it. The deer certainly cross it going up the hill, but mostly at night I think. The bottom 2/3 of the property it thick, dense new growth stuff. 25 years ago it was mostly grass. The top 1/3 is older forrest, though not terribly old.

One side of the property borders a field owned by a neighbor. It recently changed hands, so I have no idea if I'lll ever be able to hunt it again. The field has never been more than grass, but since everything else for miles around it woods, it does draw deer. Unfortunately from experience I know they enter the field from the other two sides of the field more than they do from my side. I can't do anything about that, but I thought that by adding a mini plot that offered something more than just grass, maybe I could get them to come through more my way. Act as a stop off spot, holding spot on the way to and from the field.

I've posted many boring trail cam pics from there now as well of shots from a tree stand. I chose that spot because it was the only spot in the woods than had anything green growing on the ground. Plus it's at a "T" intersection of three trails, old logging trail. This summer I chopped a few small trees, did hack and squirt to a bunch of larger ones to get some sun on ground. I broadcast clover and purple turnip seed, but it's all forrest floor, leaf litter with little sun and little rain for months. More of it germinated than I expected in the leaves, but it didn't grow much. Again with no sun and little rain.


For scale, the middle red box is me, it's 240 yards top to bottom in the on-x image.
You can sort of see the opening in the trees from the one trail. I'm sure it's larger now with the H&S.
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That little open patch mid frame is the clear strip behind the deer.

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This is from the stand, the wide angle lens makes the woods look a lot less dense than it is.

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So how I spent what little time I had in the stand, was sitting there figuring out what to do.
Off to the right of the image drops off pretty quick. I thought I would just cut a bunch of trees, felling them down hill to open it up for more sunlight in the later months. What I'd like to do is open up this section of woods, which in reality is probably 65 yards deep by 50(?) wide?

This photo is very misleading, the trees all look thin and not too tall. But they're decent size and very tall. But like I keep telling my nephew, cutting them down is the easy part. Even if I buck the main trunks and haul them down the hill for a decades worth of camp wood, what do I do with the limbs? Can't burn them, can't chip them. I'm afraid what will happen if I just pile them up around the clearing? I don't want to make a "boma" that will keep the deer out or they'll be afraid to enter.

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So that's my question, what do I do with em? Will encircling the clearing with brush to some degree be a problem? It's the middle of the woods at the top of a hill, there's really no where else to take it and no way to get it there. It'll all be by hand , on foot.
 
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What trees are you asking about? Did you hack and squirt some?


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Where are you located?


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Those trees... lol , are in central-ish NY.
I'm not, which is also part of the problem. It's not the sort of thing I can slowly pick away at, one today, one tomorrow. The "budget" is about zero, because in reality this is probably the least important problem in my life, but it's one I fixate on to avoid worrying about the real ones.
 
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That one photo is terrible for scale.


This tree....

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Is this tree...

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And no, I don't have that telecommunication tower surveillance tree in the woods. I got down off the ladder, looked up and said "Nope, that aint gonna work", but I took the picture before I removed the one camera and panel. lol



This is a 17 or 18 foot stand. This is a better representation of the trees height up there.

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So the point was... if I circle my mini plot with brush piles will it keep the deer away?
 
Don’t pen them in. Make individual piles where they can easily get around.

What are your situational constraints? I’ve made it on $20 and $40 dollar projects and having to get creative with using limited time to get things done.


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Situational constraints? There or in general?






It's a 10 hour round trip to get there, an awful drive regardless of the hours, in a 25 year old vehicle that probably doesn't have too many more trips left in her. lmao Meaning I can't get there nearly as often as I'd like.
 
Why can't you burn the piles?
 
Situational constraints? There or in general?






It's a 10 hour round trip to get there, an awful drive regardless of the hours, in a 25 year old vehicle that probably doesn't have too many more trips left in her. lmao Meaning I can't get there nearly as often as I'd like.

Oh yeah. That’s tough. I used to do 12 hour round trips if traffic was good, and i did that for 9 years. You really have to love it and go like hell when you’re there.


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Why can't you burn the piles?

Because I'd rather not start a forrest fire? lol
And it would take a whole lot of my time, of which there's little.
It'll be just me out there.
 
Just make individual piles, try to keep them kind of open. I've got lots of them at our places and deer will bed right up around them, and they are good for bunnies too.
Brush piles are good security cover for deer, just don't pile them too high.
 
Use small piles to funnel deer movement past your stands or to create pinch points but don't make piles surrounding the plot.
 
I'd pile the brushy limbs in curved lines about 10 or 12 ft. long, and place them to act as wind blockers for deer to bed up against as H20 said above - inside the woods outside the openings. Keep the openings open for sunlight so your planted food crops or natural forbs grow well. Place additional brush piles scattered around outside the cleared areas to make more cover for rabbits, grouse, birds of all kinds - and deer. When we did a couple loggings at our camp, we made piles using some tops right where they fell, and added more until we had decent piles that deer used for browse and for cover. All done on foot by hand too. Very do-able.
 
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I'd just make a few random large brush piles for grouse and rabbits. Start the brush piles with the large diameter logs on bottom and cross them back and forth so there is lots of room for small game to run into and out of the piles. Keep throwing branches on until your pile is maybe 20 feet long x 20 feet wide x 10 feet tall. I have big brush piles randomly scattered all over my properties and the deer don't care at all. I'd also recommend thinning out the trees surrounding your plot clear cut. Thinning the adjacent trees will help increase the sunlight that hits the plot.
 
Cover the piles with a tarp, or a corner of them. Burn them on a slow rainy period or the ground is covered in snow.

Take a piece of plywood and cut a V. You can cut 2 V's in the piece. One with a small point and one a bit bigger at the end, not a point of that on but a flat. Put the plywod down around the tree on the ground. Now you can cut real close and not hit dirt. I usually rake around the tree to get closer to the ground an eliminate rocks around the base that dulls the chain.

These cut pieces can be used for mulch at the base of a more desired tree.

Show a more general idea of the area. Do not disregard the spot by the houses.

Show the more mature tree area, might be worth it to have a logger go over there. Spray paint some of the smaller trees you want gone. They might grab some to sell to top off a firewood load. They used to get triaxle loads for about $900 and have small twiggy stuff mixed in. This was the catskill green county area with a few sawmills in the area.
 
You guys that have to drive to your land impress me so much.I couldn't do it as I am too use to being in stand in less than 15 minutes as my land is 5 miles from my house and if wife had her way it would be on the land but.I don't mind living in our small town.I would do as some have said and pile a few logs on bottom then thin pile of limbs.Think as a rabbit and not a coon or skunk size animal.burn or sell some of the wood
 
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