Stock Market is the bottom in?

This is really gonna kick me in the nuts if the fed doesn’t get busy creating hundreds of billions of dollars out of thin air to suck up all the treasuries the Chinese are selling.

My TMF could go to hell quickly. If the fed sits this out and lets china dump their treasuries, we are done. We’re gonna be writing new treasuries north of 5% and that is game over for us and every recreational genocide going on worldwide.

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All we gotta do is sell the public some government land.....and keep Doge on track.
 
The new tariff dust up is to make free trade agreements fair correct? Not sure. I think Trump wants to punish other countries, beat them down to their knees, make them beg and then make money off of them.
Has it not been slanted in favor of other countries? Not all of them. I don't believe Viet Nam, Cambodia and Madagascar are getting rich off of the U.S.

Are you siding with China? And all those “quality” made products ? Nope not siding with China or any other foreign country. Just stating the fact that if you want to boycott Home Depot you can go to any other big box store and buy the same foreign made tools and goods if you want. Because that's where they all come from.
And other countries getting wealthy over charging high tariffs on American made goods? I don't think they're all getting wealthy from tariffs on American goods.
Do you not want to support American workers? I'll support everyone of them. You have to remember we're not a developing country, we'll never be able to compete with their wages, lack of labor laws, lack of environmental regulations.

If Obama came up with the equal tariffs plan then would you have been OK with it? You OK with Ronnie Reagan shipping our manufacturing overseas?

Maybe you can explain to me why most of the robotics used on assembly lines in this country are from Asian countries. Can we not make them here or maybe we don't want to?

How about the CNC machining centers to make those robots? Why are they made in Asian countries?

When I built my cabin eight years ago I bought a new circular saw, framing nailer, air compressor, and SCMS. None of them made in the USA. Assembled here maybe but not of American made components. Why not? Because we can't compete.
 
I dont understand how ANYONE could think the USA economy is a "perfectly fine airplane". Prior to trump our economy was sucking air and many felt we could not survive another term under "leadership" by the Democrats. (Is that an oxymoron?). The USA needs some drastic measures to right the ship......and that is what we elected Donald to do. IMO he's delivering on that issue and many more. MAGA
The US has had the best economy for decades. It is also why we are the world's reserve currency (for now). It's being a bit disingenuous to act like our economy has been anything but the envy of pretty much every developed nation.

This is a new narrative that "drastic measures" are needed. Trump re-negged on his own Canada-Mexico trade agreements with the same arguments. What changed in that time?

The last time drastic measures (i.e. widespread tariffs) like this were attempted the ruling party (Conservatives) lost the House and Senate for 60 years. I have yet to find a single economist that thinks this is a good strategy. Literally the people that study these things think it's a bad idea. Not only are wide spread tariffs a bad idea, the way they are being implemented is awful. A simple math formula based on trade deficits without any care taken to size or products exchanged. Well, I guess some care was taken to make sure Russia wasn't included.
 
The US has had the best economy for decades. It is also why we are the world's reserve currency (for now). It's being a bit disingenuous to act like our economy has been anything but the envy of pretty much every developed nation.

This is a new narrative that "drastic measures" are needed. Trump re-negged on his own Canada-Mexico trade agreements with the same arguments. What changed in that time?

The last time drastic measures (i.e. widespread tariffs) like this were attempted the ruling party (Conservatives) lost the House and Senate for 60 years. I have yet to find a single economist that thinks this is a good strategy. Literally the people that study these things think it's a bad idea. Not only are wide spread tariffs a bad idea, the way they are being implemented is awful. A simple math formula based on trade deficits without any care taken to size or products exchanged. Well, I guess some care was taken to make sure Russia wasn't included.
What changed ? Ummm… Mexico let millions of illegals come into the US, with the help of Biden/Harris! They violated the most important part of their job—to keep Americans safe !

You didn’t notice the open border ? It’s closed now , partly due to the tariffs. We need to keep pressure on Mexico to do their share at the border !
 
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What changed ? Ummm… Mexico let millions of illegals come into the US, with the help of Biden/Harris! They violated the most important part of their job—to keep Americans safe !

You didn’t notice the open border ? It’s closed now , party due to the tariffs. We need to keep pressure on Mexico to do their share at the border !
Tariffs have nothing to do with border security.

Also, why go after Canada as well? How about the 48 other countries we DON'T share borders with? I'm not buying this argument.
 
I’m about to bring some Trump down here on H/T. Put up with a lot of Obama/Biden BS and kept my mouth shut.

Let’s let it ride a few months and see. I’m still paying $1500/mo more for my heath care.

I have an open mind. You liberals need to step back and understand most of us hunter types don’t dig tranny’s playing women’s sports or a zillion illegals crossing the border. Us old guys watched the jobs get sucked out of the country. we’re willing to see how this ride goes and suck it up if it means good skilled labor comes back.

Don’t like it, complain to my sponsors!! Or move the F on.
 
@Bill I think the discussion has been fantastic. Last thing I want in life is hanging around with a bunch of people that agree with everything that gets said. Pretty boring.

That being said, this is your place and you set the rules. I came here for the food plotting, I don’t need the other stuff.
 
Maybe you can explain to me why most of the robotics used on assembly lines in this country are from Asian countries. Can we not make them here or maybe we don't want to?

How about the CNC machining centers to make those robots? Why are they made in Asian countries?

When I built my cabin eight years ago I bought a new circular saw, framing nailer, air compressor, and SCMS. None of them made in the USA. Assembled here maybe but not of American made components. Why not? Because we can't compete.
I think the USA can do just fine on a level playing field. We have not had a level playing field for 50 years....as we watched industry after industry go offshore due to lower wages, lower energy costs, and less regulations. I think some of our democratic "freinds" could use a little education on what has transpired (you dumb son's a bitches - and that is putting it mildly) .

I used to really like my job at an aluminum company. That company....and many other prime aluminum companies were "forced" to offshore their production due to the high energy prices in the USA, the lower labor costs, and the extreme regulations placed on their production.

IF the USA would have provided the infrastructure (lower power costs via more aviailability). and reduced some of the regulations to more reasonable levels, I think the productivity of USA labor would compete well with the competing nations (like china). But folks like Al Gore and Bill Clinton were hell bent on getting those other countries to do these things. Now, we lost MANY of our basic industries due to these policy's. Hope Trumps plan will bring many back. MAGA.

Anyone remember the "huge sucking sound" that was foretold by Ross Perot in a presidential debate with Bill Clinton? He was 100% right.....and that was a HUGE turning point for America. To follow, was the demise of so many great American made products......and the growth of WalMart and all the similar import companies. That was the breaking point....IMO. The USA basically gave industry after industry to foreign interests.....and forced many American companies to "offshore" their production.

In the case of aluminum....the electrical power costs to make aluminum are the largest element involved. Much of the Bonneville power authority was built to especially include the energy needed by the aluminum industry as it built many pot-lines along the coast in Washington (relatively cheap hydro-electric power). These companies could then ship bauxite (from Australia) to their coastal ports at these locations along the coast and use the high levels of electrical power created by the Bonneville. They basically paid for these facilities. Then.....the growth of need by the increasing population on the west coast and our "conservation" efforts, and policies to not increase our electric production, basically drove industrial production away....as the power was needed for the west coast (residential) consumers. Lots of aluminum production went to Canada, and Norway grew their production (Norsk Hydro power) .....and lots more went offshore to China. I do not think a single aluminum pot line exists in Washington state now....but it was the holy grail of aluminum production in the 70's and 80's. Huge plants....that employed many good paying jobs. Huge of losses due to USA policy on energy and lack of management on environmental issue. Spotted Owl syndrome. IMO

Some of us were there....and didn't just fall off the back of the onion truck.
 
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Maybe you can explain to me why most of the robotics used on assembly lines in this country are from Asian countries. Can we not make them here or maybe we don't want to?

How about the CNC machining centers to make those robots? Why are they made in Asian countries?

When I built my cabin eight years ago I bought a new circular saw, framing nailer, air compressor, and SCMS. None of them made in the USA. Assembled here maybe but not of American made components. Why not? Because we can't compete.

Because of poor leadership the last thirty years? Politicians taking grift payments to slow walk the tech, regulating to the ridiculous and they keep shipping jobs out of the US.
The USA is still in the top ten countries leading the way with robotics, I think I’ve read it is #1 in AI development.
I’m all for America First.

I totally disagree with the statement that Trump wants to “punish” other countries. If you would just listen he repeatedly says that he wants to even the trade deficit and put this country first. Reciprocal tariffs help do exactly that.

China is not known for quality products, it’s quite the opposite. I’m perfectly fine with paying a little more for better quality and to support American made.
China is one of our biggest threats right now, almost in every way. Why in the world would anyone want to help support them!
 
Navarro claims zero tariffs isn't good enough. Trumps economist is contradicting him.

I sure am glad there's no Chinese products at Lowes, Menards or any True Value stores.

And every time I see Navarro talking about Trump he is saying very positive things.
 
I’m about to bring some Trump down here on H/T. Put up with a lot of Obama/Biden BS and kept my mouth shut.

Let’s let it ride a few months and see. I’m still paying $1500/mo more for my heath care.

I have an open mind. You liberals need to step back and understand most of us hunter types don’t dig tranny’s playing women’s sports or a zillion illegals crossing the border. Us old guys watched the jobs get sucked out of the country. we’re willing to see how this ride goes and suck it up if it means good skilled labor comes back.

Don’t like it, complain to my sponsors!! Or move the F on.
I don’t agree with Trump on the implementation of the tariffs that’s about it. I think this was a gross miscalculation of economic policy that is going to take some tap dancing to get out of.
I couldn’t be further from a liberal. I like a lot of his other ideas. And voted for him 3 times. I wouldn’t vote for a democrat ever, dont care if it were my own daughter. I think its healthy to analyze the decision of politicians no matter if they are on your side or not.
 
Tariffs have nothing to do with border security.

Also, why go after Canada as well? How about the 48 other countries we DON'T share borders with? I'm not buying this argument.
Trump used tariffs to get Mexicos attention . He did that in his first term and now increased the ante .

I was in Mexico when he threatened higher tariffs on Mexico if they do not slow down the migration to the border .

Within 24 hours they had an extra 5000 troops at the border. Everyone was talking about it — I am surprised you never read that on any news publication.

The border illegal border crossings are down to a few a day.

Canada got lumped in due to fentanyl. Apparently there was an issue with that, but I believe that’s now changed, thanks to Trumps actions.

As far as Canada 🇨🇦… they closed the border on Americans during Covid . You couldn’t even go to Canada/cross the border… My family had 363 acres in Ontario by Lake of the Woods. Trudeau cut us off, so actually I do not have a ton of sympathy for them . We sold the land and have never been back !

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It was actually 10,000 troops … I saw some of it happen in person . Long story, but they were deploying troops to the border, and it helped slow the illegal immigration. It’s 1% of what it was under Biden/Harris !
 
Deport Chinese students is what needs to happen asap. They apparently want to use our education system to go back to their regime and attempt to destroy us…screw them.
 
Deport Chinese students is what needs to happen asap. They apparently want to use our education system to go back to their regime and attempt to destroy us…screw them.
Yes. Why do we continuously support our enemies? We build them up to take us down? We give them our money to build weapons that they want to kill us with and they send us their people to train. If they are educated here, then stay here and work. I don't think we should be supporting enemy countries at all. Having said that, I may be a hypocrite, because I do buy their stuff.
 
I don’t agree with Trump on the implementation of the tariffs that’s about it. I think this was a gross miscalculation of economic policy that is going to take some tap dancing to get out of.
I couldn’t be further from a liberal. I like a lot of his other ideas. And voted for him 3 times. I wouldn’t vote for a democrat ever, dont care if it were my own daughter. I think its healthy to analyze the decision of politicians no matter if they are on your side or not.
I also think it’s beneficial to hear and read opinions I disagree with. I want to know why other people think the way they do.

I live in Illinois. We haven't had a decent governor since 2003. His name was George Ryan, and he WENT TO PRISON! Our last republican gov tried to crash state government, ruined our credit rating and pointlessly increased our debt because of it. He also made Illinois a sanctuary state. Our current governor hugs criminals, took the sanctuary state stuff even further but has done a lot to fix our finances. He’s increasing taxes and spending so I’m not happy with him either. There are no alternates though. Our state Republican Party is gutted. There is truly nothing left but screwballs and Chicago hacks trying to keep every crook and thug from going to prison.

I will find something wrong with almost every politician. What is weird about djt is even if you agree with 80% of what he is doing, you can’t question disagree with a single piece of his agenda or people call you a liberal. One word and you automatically have TDS. I’m not a robot, not doing that.
 
You would not believe how much crime I see that directly relates to Chinese nationals operating in the U.S. Massively large criminal organizations. Bulk illegal drugs, money laundering, credit and gift card schemes. They will buy a new car and put a guy in it whose only job is to drive around the country and buy IPhones iPads and Apple Watches to send back to China. Had another that went around to libraries and campus libraries to steal books and ship them back.

They gotta go and go now.
 
Trump has been saying for many years that this is the plan to correct this countries direction. Many years before he even ran the first time around. He actually has a working brain unlike Biden. Believe it or not Trump is a very intelligent man and knows how to level the playing field and get deals done that work to his advantage. I firmly believe this is exactly what is needed to get our country back where it used to be. #1! jmho
 
Deport Chinese students is what needs to happen asap. They apparently want to use our education system to go back to their regime and attempt to destroy us…screw them.
For apparently having the worst education system in the world, we sure have a lot of international students at our universities. 15 years ago when I was at Kansas State, seemed like 1/3 of all the students were international. 🤔
 
For apparently having the worst education system in the world, we sure have a lot of international students at our universities. 15 years ago when I was at Kansas State, seemed like 1/3 of all the students were international. 🤔

I think the criticism has been directed at the public school system, not collegiate level.
 
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