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Howboutthemdawgs said:
Umm they want 40% PLUS cost of living increases yearly as I understand it.
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See... I told you'all I haven't researched it and don't know the situation. I still hate how the media twists things and have zero trust there.
 
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Howboutthemdawgs said:
Understood. Agree to disagree on their value to society. I feel they are steeped in socialist ideals and don’t reward individual achievements. They attempt to hold businesses hostage and in cases like this make economic policies worse for the rest of the country. Just look at who unions overwhelmingly support politically and look what politicians claim to back unions. If aoc is in your corner I’d want to vacate that corner so fast I’d rip my hamstring
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This is my main issue.
 
Without having a clue what a day in the job of many UAW workers entails, it also makes it harder to have a feel for what kind of compensation actually makes sense.

I do know this makes toyota a little more appealing than it already was.. Already had a hint of regret for going f150 over Tundra this spring beforehand.
 
Wind Gypsy said:
Without having a clue what a day in the job of many UAW workers entails, it also makes it harder to have a feel for what kind of compensation actually makes sense.

I do know this makes toyota a little more appealing than it already was.. Already had a hint of regret for going f150 over Tundra this spring beforehand.
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There’s no scenario in my little brain that would justify paying someone $80k a year, with full benefits, for 32 hours a week to pull bumpers off an assembly line
 
Howboutthemdawgs said:
Understood. Agree to disagree on their value to society. I feel they are steeped in socialist ideals and don’t reward individual achievements. They attempt to hold businesses hostage and in cases like this make economic policies worse for the rest of the country. Just look at who unions overwhelmingly support politically and look what politicians claim to back unions. If aoc is in your corner I’d want to vacate that corner so fast I’d rip my hamstring
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Hard to find a balance between pure free market and socialism IMO. Im almost always more on the business side of union/business negotiations but think there are definitely places where challenging business is a good thing. It feels like 80% of society doesn't seek individual achievement professionally and want to perform whatever level of effort in order to get by. Without some level of protections, that large chunk of society is going to be living a pretty rough life because human nature is going to have the high achievers giving the minimum they can to the masses that allows them to achieve their goal.
 
Personally I think biden should stay out of it unless there's a legal issue. I think he's overstepping his role on a social scale. If he wanted to help the American workers he could create an economy without sky high fuel, food, and insurance prices. This doesn't seem to be his game plan though.
The 32hr work week seems weak to me. Asking for a lot, but as someone said above I'm not in their shoes so it's hard to for me to give my input with any credibility.
 
He forced 24% raise over a 5 year contract compounded to get to the 24% on us rail workers we couldn’t even get a sick day out of the deal earlier this year. Social security cola raises for the same time period equal 27.8% uncompounded so we lost money to inflation he caused in large part. With our union the government can literally force us back to work so in effect we CANNOT actually strike at all. Paper tiger with no teeth. We were told point blank from the government you will get nothing better and by the way you can’t strike. Now in the same calendar year he is joining the UAW on the picket line for a 36% raise over 4 years and 32 hour work week. I already told our union why don’t the rail unions offer to join the UAW in their strike clearly Biden approves of their strike. I think it would be quite fitting of gesture to help Biden and the UAW out. Quite a lot of sarcasm in those last two statements.
 
The company I work for has some union plants and some not. One of the plants went on strike earlier this year. That plant is now closed and we have to go remove all the IT equipment. Be careful what you wish for. Also, public sector unions ( Fed workers, teachers, etc) should not be allowed to unionize IMHO.
 
Catscratch said:
I haven't followed this strike at all and hadn't heard the contracted raise would be over a period of up to 10 yrs. I just googled the cost of living increase and found it to be 8.7% this year. Over 10 years that's 87%, which is quite larger than 40%. I really hate how media twists things. What little I've heard is that it's crazy they want a 40% increase and we "should be outraged", but looking at it over a decade tells a different story.
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This is exactly what I saw on the news. The union wants to only work 32 hours a week and wants a 40 percent raise because all the big three had record profits. They left out that part it's over 10 years. They made you think it was 40 percent over what they make now. It's hard to even do research now days with all the political b.s influence in everything.
 
ruskbucks said:
This is exactly what I saw on the news. The union wants to only work 32 hours a week and wants a 40 percent raise because all the big three had record profits. They left out that part it's over 10 years. They made you think it was 40 percent over what they make now. It's hard to even do research now days with all the political b.s influence in everything.
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I saw that it wasn't over 10 years, but over 4 years. I just read an NPR article. Also stated in the NPR article is that in addition to 40% over 4 yrs, they do want the COLA for future inflation protection but are also asking for payback for lost income in prior years. Yikes.
 
I want that too, but as a business owner, I gave myself 2 pay cuts over the past year and kept my employees at full time and full pay.
 
chucker66 said:
The company I work for has some union plants and some not. One of the plants went on strike earlier this year. That plant is now closed and we have to go remove all the IT equipment. Be careful what you wish for. Also, public sector unions ( Fed workers, teachers, etc) should not be allowed to unionize IMHO.
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Totally agree with government employees unionizing total scam they produce nothing.
 
I find it humourous that when ceo's or business owners make record profits they are greedy. But when lazy auto workers demand completely unreasonable raises and perks they are not? Doesn't add up to me.
 
The only thing that I’m genuinely curious about is just what if anything the UAW unions gave up following the 2008 financial crisis to keep the big three afloat?? The raise isn’t completely out of line they have to start high or they have no room at all to negotiate same for the 32 hour work week they don’t genuinely believe that will happen but if you don’t have anything on the table to discard in negotiations…. I can just about guarantee the big three are offering some 12% raise or something equally as ridiculous on the other end of the table. Oh just read that the big three put forth 20% by two of them and 17.5% by the third on Thursday so my guess of 12% probably isn’t to far off for their starting point. Social Security cola raises for the same time equal 24.6% so the car companies offer is equally ridiculous on the other end of the spectrum. It doesn’t even keep pace with inflation. Should be interesting to see how this all shakes out in the end.
 
Bill Loser said:
I find it humourous that when ceo's or business owners make record profits they are greedy. But when lazy auto workers demand completely unreasonable raises and perks they are not? Doesn't add up to me.
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I find it humorous that when times are tough the working class (lazy) are expected to take concessions but when record profits are being made, they are expected to sit idle and only take COLA.
 
Huge raises to the workers should equal huge raises in the cost of the product that these workers make. Joe Biden was there as a PR stunt trying to give the illusion that he gives a Smile.jmho
 
jsasker007 said:
Huge raises to the workers should equal huge raises in the cost of the product that these workers make. Joe Biden was there as a PR stunt trying to give the illusion that he gives a Smile.jmho
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And trump is going to do the same. All these sleezeballs sell their souls to pretend to back the “little man”.
I bet the majority of Americans would disagree with the unions if they knew the economic repercussions of their demands. Increase in vehicle and part prices obviously and bigger picture, longer the fed has to keep interest rates high because autos are a part of the cpi. So for all these folks wanting to buy houses but support unions artificially inflating wages, enjoy 7.50% 30 year. This also opens the door for other foreign automakers to gain domestic market share by being more competitive with prices. China is chomping at the bit to get their EV’s over here.
 
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