Maybe not the best pie tree, but empire is a good general use apple with some bite. My wife likes to mix both soft and firmer apples together in a pie.
I have to see how bad the scab gets at home, but granny smith is a nice blend of disease resistance, late dropping, decent storing, and good taste too Ripens mid november here in zone 5/6 NY close to a large river. Wondering if there's something not to like about it because it's talked about very little on here. Seems to be easy to find locally too at nurseries. Not a fan of customer service or shipping from willis orchards in Georgia, but hat where mine came from. Decent rootstock and seedling selection though.
Turkey creek is a very good place to order from. Good customer service, nice roots on the trees, good packaging, and seems like he takes good care of the trees. Nice little selection to choose from and you know what rootstock you're getting. Don't be afraid to try M7 rootstocks, although not talked about alot on here.
I do wish he had a good late crabapple or two to his varieties.