Muzzle loader

birdog said:
I have a smokeless TC Encore .45 as well. Barrel came from Arrowhead and it is an absolute shooter! I size all my bullets and shoot bullet to bore. It is one of my favorite rifles.

209 primers are very dirty which is why I went with large rifle magnum primers.
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That’s what I have as well. I’ve been struggling a bit to get it how I want with iron sights but it did well with a scope.
 
b116757 said:
I’m not really into muzzle loading just want to be able to let the kids sit during that season.
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If you want something EASY look into the Traditions Nitro Fire. From what I can see it's legal in your state. I never fooled with a muzzleloader before , because I heard they were a pain to clean and didn't like the idea of leaving a gun loaded with powder OR having to worry about moisture with the powder . You load the bullet like a traditional muzzleloader , then break open the action like a single shot shotgun and load in a "firestick" and put a primer in and you are good to go. If you want to climb a treestand or at the end of a hunt just remove the firestick , and leave the bullet in. The next hunt just put the firestick back in. It's Easy to clean too....I use the special Firestick patches.

 
I hereby believe that muzzle loaders should go back to the traditional basics and scopes outlawed. It's becoming way to easy and it's time to make a stand for fair chase.
 
b116757 said:
Good to know
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As others have mentioned, to make life easier when loading multiple shots in a row at the range, and cleaning afterwards, I'd recommend converting what ever you buy to Blackhorn 209 powder. We've converted a CVA Accura and two older Remington 700s. With a CVA the conversion is as simple as changing out the breech plug and getting 209 shotgun primers. The older Remington's took a little more work with a conversion kit from Badger. We shoot 70 grains, "by weight" (be careful, to do the correct weight/volume conversion when using BH209!!!) of Blackhorn 209 behind a 250 grain PowerBelt Aerolite, and all 3 M/L will take a whitetail up to 130 yards without scope adjustment or holdover. We've tried using a "magnum" charge of BH209 and did not like the kick for what little extra range was gained.
 
matinc said:
I hereby believe that muzzle loaders should go back to the traditional basics and scopes outlawed. It's becoming way to easy and it's time to make a stand for fair chase.
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Believe what you want but until it becomes illegal , use whatever you want. Years ago Virginia use to have a 2 week early Muzzleloader season, a 2 week rifle season and a 2 week late Muzzleloader season. This year we have a 2 week early Muzzleloader and then a 7 week rifle season !.
 
Unless they just changed something there are no restrictions on powder,sabots or scopes and I have never heard of the copper bullet thing but will look
 
In NY you got 3 months to get a deer. Still too lazy, go next door to PA for january flintlock.... Get with a farmer, you can hunt does in the summer with permits. They still don't get enough deer harvested.....

Fancy and ultra modern is great, but good old basic equipment gets the job done. A spray with windex and a bore swab and external wipe, corrosion is gone..... Even if a bit of residue remains. Wouldn't push it though. Clean her good. Clean everything in the safe good. Got a great looking homemade 45 caplock from the 1960's and a great looking glenfield model 30 30-30. They were taken cared of.

Personally, I use 20:1 water and ballistol. After a shoot, I do q quick wipe down and swab the bore with a wet patch or two, then a dry patch or two. When I get home I clean it good. I use windex in a pinch. Moose milk is similar to ballistol n water. Many miltiaries, including the USA still use blackpowder for artillery and use ballistol n water to clean. I store with WD40 when cleaned. I check it the next day for grime / rust and clena more if needed.

I leave clean guns loaded the whole season till I use it. No problems, no failed ignitions. If it's a wet rainy day, I change out the load. I put in a soft case and bring inside to warm up slowly. Quickly warming up exposed to air ciculation makes condesation on metal. I try to put it in the coolest art of the cabin or trailer. I Dry patch the bore bore loading. I then use a lightly oiled patch with WD40 to get a light coat on the bore to prevent rust while outside or for that season. Even left guns loaded from october season and still worked fine in december.

Clean the breech plug in soap and water, clean that flash hole best you can. I use a drill bit with my hand and twist the gunk out. Do not store the breech with oil, do not store in the gun. Leave the gun barrel muzzle down to drip out any extra oil. Do those things, the gun is exremely reliable. Never had a problem, never do a fouling shot with a cap. Long stick goes boom..... If I am allowed to quote krokus...
 
Buy one with stainless steel barrel and breech plug,makes it so much easier. I also checked and nothing appears to have changed in Kansas.You can use scopes and sabots
 
buckdeer1 said:
Unless they just changed something there are no restrictions on powder,sabots or scopes and I have never heard of the copper bullet thing but will look
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Assume you can use copper mono or copper jacketed bullet with a sabot but copper jacketed bullet direct to bore would be a lot more cool..
 
I have actually never worried about what bullet we use as we use sabots.I will say I'm trying to find out the intent of the rule that you can't buy a landowner tag if your land is in a trust. i would guess that 90% of farmground is in a revockable or nonrevocable trust.I got the legal team for the state to asked them and will call tomorrow. I would understand the part about a LLC or if the land was in a land trust where it was titled under say a state trust and you would give up ownership after a set number of years. But I can litterly call the lawyer tomorrow and take 80 acres out and meet what they are telling me.I listened to a podcast the other day where they said you could buy 160 and the 2 owners could put in LLC and each get a tag each year.Well according to this thats not true.
 
goodl luck with you legal issues there.

Those nitro plastic loads, they might not be legal in kansas. Could see some saying it is not loose powder.

Far as opion on muzzleloading regs; Here in NY the deer seasons are long. My mid December, most hunters are tired of being in the woods n cold. Not many harvest by the numbers. You need to be reasonable and put your homework in to shoot with iron sights. Especially in low light. We are aiming dark metal at a brown target. Not seeing the gap between the blades and the tip of the front and rear well causes problems. I usually line up my sights at a lighter colored thing by the deer. Then I move the lined up sights back to the deer, then get my knife and deer drag rope out..........

I like crossbows, scopes, rangefinder, deer cameras, etc. I may not use them, but whatever makes a person more effective when they harvest cant be bad. I know a few bow and gun slobs out there who probably wound a deer or two every year or 2 to 3 years. IF I got doubt, I dont shoot.... Probably all of us are like that on here. But, there are many out there who do not....... Those guys go out, get their scrubby buck, and go home and leave the woods for us more avid folks......


Guy at ork talk about the latest and greatest woods toys. I rarely look at a hunting magazine these days. Just seems like theyre just trying to sell that stuff
 
Start with Blackhorn 209++

CVA sells models that come with the Blackhorn breech plug.
 
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While any question about a firearms purchase brings a multitude of recommendations based on personal experiences, in my experience as a dealer, happy customers were those who killed deer, whether their muzzleloader was an inexpensive Traditions (at the time the base model was under $90) or the newest Stainless CVA. I bought gave my kids inexpensive CVA Wolf models. Despite some “less than thorough” cleanings, the guns have always worked as designed and worked well with Blackhorn and other powders. Some brands, models and finishes are easier to clean, so if that is a priority you are willing to pay a more for, great. Many come with scope packages. Are you OK with basic scopes that work, but are not great, or do you want open sights?

There are LOTS of used muzzleloaders on the market as well. It’s fun to be able to go to a store or pawn shop and buy one without paperwork. Consider the used market as well.

It sounds like you simply want to extend the season for family. That’s a great goal, and I wish you success is this upcoming season.
 
I don’t think there is any paperwork on any muzzle loader.
 
I’d get me a 50 caliber Hawken
Action Flintlock
Rate of fire. User-dependent.
Muzzle velocity. Variable
Effective range. 400 yards
 
You can use loose, or pellets in kansas. Come to think of it I think mine has a different coating than SS.But it cleans easy even if you wait a while.I can't think of any restriction that Kansas has other than bullet has to load down barrel
 
Buckly said:
I’d get me a 50 caliber Hawken
Action Flintlock
Rate of fire. User-dependent.
Muzzle velocity. Variable
Effective range. 400 yards
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Want to be around when you go shooting 400 yards on that hawkin's. There is a blackpowder shoot at a club that has a 36" gong 200 yards away. Shocking how many people miss that shot.... They have it across a steep valley, so it plays with your head how big and how far it is. Nice depp ring when someone does it it. Another club has a big old house propane tank 250 yards away. Sounds like some buddhist monk gong in the mountains when it does go off.
 
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