If "10" is the number then you are already below that threshold in many areas. If WI drops our herd to 10 DPSM I will quit hunting deer altogether, or just drive the 13 hours out to WY and hunt with my brother, the area he is in is overrun with muley's, whitetails, and speed goats. I have only seen the "10" number mentioned once. I have seen it stated that "20" causes detrimental browse in multiple other reports and articles. I am sure this is going to be one of those numbers that is open to interpretation and manipulation as well, just like all the rest. It will fully depend on who is blowing the smoke and what their agenda really is. Given that fact, I guess I would be prepared for the "10" number to be used in any future debates on the subject. Again, if the State is willing to give up hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue, there isn't a whole lot you can do to overcome that. Once the money doesn't matter, they have no reason whatsoever to change things. As little as it matters right now, those guys out there in PA get the hikers and birders to start footing part of the wildlife management bill, the hunters voice will mean squat there as well.